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[Proposal] Empire Police

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Issaku Tanaka
Galaxy Eaters
#1 - 2012-10-08 04:02:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Issaku Tanaka
DISCLAIMER: While this is an idea that I came up with independently, I do not think that I'm the first one that thought up of it. If there is a similar topic somewhere on these forums, please link me to it.

I'm still in the 'planning' stages of this idea, so I'm open to adjustment.

So, while Lowsec doesn't have CONCORD response, I still feel like there should be something done to pirates there. The reasoning is from a consistency perspective; lowsec is Empire space. Why are pirates allowed to perform criminal acts without anything more than a slap on the wrist (GCC)?

Sure, it should still be a viable career to be a pirate, and the purpose of this proposal is NOT to shut down piracy as a viable career, but to make lowsec piracy more interesting (and possibly more consistent with the gameworld).

Basically, this proposal is one for CONCORD to be introduced in lowsec, but in a form that has been drastically nerfed.

These are the basic ideas I have so far:

-This is the most important part of the proposal; IT IS ENTIRELY POSSIBLE TO EVADE/ESCAPE/DESTROY THE RESPONDERS. They will NOT chase you down if you warp off (provided you don't warp to a stargate, station or anywhere else that might 'report' your position), and they will 'give up' after the GCC ticks down. The Empire Police are not CONCORD.

-Police Navies will deploy and engage more slowly than CONCORD, and quite frankly suck compared to CONCORD: at speeds that are consistent with players, and fight with Tech 1/Meta 1-4 modules. Empire Navies would take the form of the NPC ships that are consistent with NPCs found in Empire missions; so if you get GCC in Caldari space, you get Police'd by State Katana, Bushi etc.

-The difficulty is inverse of NPC Pirates; the lower the sec status of a system, the more punitive the response. Piracy in 0.1 would trigger frigates and cruisers at the most, while 0.4 piracy would trigger a response that involves battleships for the 'biggest' response you'd see. Basically, piracy would turn the asteroid belt into a security mission site. This is so that piracy can still remain an effective career in lowsec, and in lowsec an even more lucrative one (farming the police responders).

-Police will only deploy in certain systems: one with a Station in the system, more so if if the system has a station run by corporations that have armed forces (Caldari Navy etc.). Systems neighboring highsec will also give a response, with the police spawning from appropriate stargates. If you're in a system with no stations, surrounded in highsec... that's a pirate haven right there.

-Standings with the corporation that would deploy a response will influence it. A pirate with good standings with Caldari State (regardless of Sec Standings) will see no response, provided that they don't attack someone with better standings with the Caldari State. This will also extend to Corporations/Alliances. Might also introduce mechanics involving paying off the local/nearby Security Agents to make them 'hold off' or otherwise ignore your acts of piracy.

-Of course, 'resisting arrest' by destroying the Empire Police would give you a standings hit, but at the same time increase your standings with the Empires at war with the Police you killed. So piracy in Amarr will bump up your standings with Minmatar Republic/Gallente Federation, while also hitting your Caldari standings.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-10-08 04:08:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Lowsec is like certain areas in Los Angeles... the police don't go there P

Like MS13 territory... they have more numbers and military grade weapons

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Issaku Tanaka
Galaxy Eaters
#3 - 2012-10-08 04:13:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Issaku Tanaka
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Lowsec is like certain areas in Los Angeles... the police don't go there P

Like MS13 territory... they have more numbers and military grade weapons


Like I said up above, police would only deploy in space that they are capable of policing, such as having a station in system. I mean, I don't see the sense of having a Federation Navy station in a system, but no actual Federation Navy.

Also, because of that, a decent chunk of lowsec will not have police coverage. The bits that do will become a filled with corps looking to make a profit out of lowsec (mining, ratting, PVP...) and thinking that Empire Police would be as effective as CONCORD.

I foresee a lot of wardeccing and ganking for people looking to claim that slice of lowsec.

Fun times will abound.
loyalanon
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#4 - 2012-10-08 04:17:07 UTC
Stupidest idea ever.

What did you lose in low sec?
loyalanon
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#5 - 2012-10-08 04:18:38 UTC
Why didnt you just say, lets put a police force in low sec, so people and pirates cant pvp at all without having to go to null.

2/10 for effort though.
Issaku Tanaka
Galaxy Eaters
#6 - 2012-10-08 04:18:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Issaku Tanaka
Haven't lost anything in lowsec in the last two-three months. Its just an idea I came up with while talking with friends. Problem?


EDIT:

Just in case you didn't completely read my first post and went all knee-jerk frothing at the mouth as soon as I said "CONCORD IN LOWSEC":

You can simply run away from the Police if you're in low enough sec or move fast enough. No instalock, no 60km range scrams, the police are using modules you and I would be using. Just make sure you finish up before the police arrive, if they even bother to arrive.

If you kill the responders, there won't be a second wave. You'd be able to loot/salvage for even more profit, and boost your standings with empires opposed to the police.

Not ALL of lowsec will have police responders. Choose your time, place and kill carefully, just like crimes in real life, or accept the risks/consequences of not doing so.

1/10 for ability to read.
Lucy Oreless
Rise of Rephaim
#7 - 2012-10-08 04:54:56 UTC
Issaku Tanaka wrote:
Haven't lost anything in lowsec in the last two-three months. Its just an idea I came up with while talking with friends. Problem?


EDIT:

Just in case you didn't completely read my first post and went all knee-jerk frothing at the mouth as soon as I said "CONCORD IN LOWSEC":

You can simply run away from the Police if you're in low enough sec or move fast enough. No instalock, no 60km range scrams, the police are using modules you and I would be using. Just make sure you finish up before the police arrive, if they even bother to arrive.

If you kill the responders, there won't be a second wave. You'd be able to loot/salvage for even more profit, and boost your standings with empires opposed to the police.

Not ALL of lowsec will have police responders. Choose your time, place and kill carefully, just like crimes in real life, or accept the risks/consequences of not doing so.

1/10 for ability to read.


Please...PLEASE go away... If you wanna PVE, stay in hi-sec! Low-sec is ruined enough as it is without having to deal with this redicolous PVE!
If anything get rid of gateguns and let us be able to use Frigs on gate to faster lock and kill people with suggestions like this!

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Dilligafmofo
3WAYFOUNDATIONS
New Miner's Union
#8 - 2012-10-08 07:39:10 UTC
[quote=Issaku Tanaka]Haven't lost anything in lowsec in the last two-three months. Its just an idea I came up with while talking with friends. Problem?


Yes there is a problem. Have you lived in low sec? Do you have to live in low sec?


Nope, didn't think so. There Sir, is the problem.

You know little of low sec life yet see fit to want to change it. I believe your future lies in the labour party, they know f**k all about the UK and it's issues yet seem to want to change everything. Try their forums, they are found on the left.
Issaku Tanaka
Galaxy Eaters
#9 - 2012-10-08 07:41:37 UTC
LOSING something lowsec is different than BEING in lowsec. : )
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-10-08 09:13:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Mallak Azaria
While this looks to be well thought out, lowsec is still terribly broken & this would not improve anything.

EDIT: Also, wrong section of the forums. You were looking for the Features & Ideas section.

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Ra Jackson
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-10-08 09:30:56 UTC
There are already gate/station guns that shoot you. What is wrong with those?
Molly Modee
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-10-08 11:12:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Molly Modee
I propose we make things safer and it harder to pvp then you know what we may as well close the servers for good also aswell.
Xylorn Hasher
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-10-08 12:04:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Xylorn Hasher
Issaku Tanaka wrote:
DISCLAIMER: While this is an idea that I came up with independently, I do not think that I'm the first one that thought up of it. If there is a similar topic somewhere on these forums, please link me to it.
Tons of cr*p.


You Sir must be a troll or complete idiot.
Next time you have a "brilliant" idea of futher nerf to lowsec, just do us a favour and see this picture again and again untill your ideas stop.

If you think tanking gate or stations guns is easy just take your ship and try to solo kill a Drake or Cane on it.

EDIT: Lowsec isn't empire space. It's pirate's space. Our home.

Please don't give ideas if you are fresh in game (2012 character). Play it 2 or 3 years first cuz you know nothing bout Eve online yet.

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Pyotr Kamarovi
Out Of The Depths Academy
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#14 - 2012-10-08 13:36:27 UTC
No thank you, it's already hard enough to find pirates to blob.
Ravnik
Infinate Horizon
#15 - 2012-10-08 15:06:33 UTC
I think we have a feature in game similar to this already..Its called"Get a fleet together and go fight the pirates" Roll

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Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#16 - 2012-10-08 15:19:57 UTC
Yarrrr!

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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#17 - 2012-10-08 15:38:51 UTC
So what you want is the original CONCORD for low sec.

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CCP Gargant
C C P
C C P Alliance
#18 - 2012-10-08 15:47:45 UTC
Thread moved from Crime and Punishment.

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Alx Warlord
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-10-08 15:56:00 UTC
Can you fell the mass disapproval? Think lowsec as some places in africa or south america, where there is an army base... They don't care about happens to you there, they are there for their objectives...
Goldensaver
Maraque Enterprises
Just let it happen
#20 - 2012-10-08 17:21:52 UTC
Xylorn Hasher wrote:


EDIT: Lowsec isn't empire space. It's pirate's space. Our home.

Please don't give ideas if you are fresh in game (2012 character). Play it 2 or 3 years first cuz you know nothing bout Eve online yet.


Just to be argumentative, he technically is right. Lowsec is empire space. Bombs, bubbles, and DD's are disallowed in Lowsec, and lowsec is treated as empire, so in that way he is right.

But that's not to say I support the idea. I might be in FW, but it's hard enough to go GCC on juicy (non-WT) things in anything less than a BS. Those gateguns are nasty sum*****es. I mean, you can do it, but you have to do it fast and be ready to bugger out pretty damn quick.
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