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Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2012-10-05 06:38:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Barrogh Habalu
HELLBOUNDMAN wrote:
Well, its about time they introduce some missions.

Perhaps some kind of min- caldari drug cartel.

Also, rokh with a torp bonus would be nice to see.

Then perhaps the introduction of a faction that has been secretly manufacturing and releasing rogue dones that is a combo amarr- gallente.
Perhaps they could give bonuses to amount of fieldable drones and/or sub cap ships capable of fitting drone control units.

Well, we already have drug cartel tbh. It's Serpentic main theme. Maybe you're hinting that we have two Minmatar-Gallente factions? Well, maybe... Technically, it's not that senseless to make Angles into Minmatar-Caldari, but it will be problematic as it will mess with people's skills.

Speaking of Amarr-Gallente faction, I believe they would be more interesing lore-wise. If we are talking crunch here though... Ships with some drone bonuses will make sense, but there should be some ways to avoid overlapping with Guristas. I'm not sure what their unique feature should be. Hybrid armor boats with drones and role bonuses reducing time to switch ammo? Lol

More on topic, I can agree that it's weird to see so few placeholders for drone stuff, but maybe CCP are planning to see some conflict around Drone regions in the future (which will take place after drone loot announcement, presumably)?

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Jeremy Soikutsu
Kite Co. Space Trucking
#22 - 2012-10-05 09:04:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Jeremy Soikutsu
Barrogh Habalu wrote:

More on topic, I can agree that it's weird to see so few placeholders for drone stuff,

A few placeholders? If only. The only loot that drones drop are from faction spawns and a few site drones, and they're just parts for ****** faction drones, and Elite Drone AIs, similarly for ****** faction drones. I think a few drones in sites, I mean like named drones that also happen to have no bounties, still drop a bit of drone poo. All of this is completely negligible though.

Barrogh Habalu wrote:

but maybe CCP are planning to see some conflict around Drone regions in the future (which will take place after drone loot announcement, presumably)?

Probably not. CCP would have to exhibit a level of incompetence while swinging the buff bat at us that I don't think they're capable of. Or more plainly, the Drone regions have never been that good, I doubt they ever will be.

I'll also add the requisite, fix drone salvage tables and put faction drones on the market. Elite Drone AIs too while you're at it. These are trivially easy fixes, it's ridiculous that they haven't been done yet.

Some harder options that CCP could pursue.

Make only drones have the parts for T2 drones.
Make drones drop loot from all the other pirates, up to faction loot. Probably at a lower general drop rate.
Make faction drones better and/or lower their skill reqs.
Make bounties higher until you have a real fix.
Make a couple of actually good drone sites.
Make Hidden/Forsaken/Forlorn versions of 1, 4, 6, and 8/10 drone anoms.
Make specific Rouge Drone mods.
Give us back some drone poo.

Note I don't necessarily agree with all of these, but they're something. At any rate I'm sure there are many more things that could be done, I just want them to do something. Pretty much anything would be fine. Frankly I'd settle for a short devblog that sets this getting fixed in summer 2013. I'd still be upset about it taking so long, but at least I'd know they're really working on it.

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HELLBOUNDMAN
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2012-10-05 17:09:41 UTC
Jeremy Soikutsu wrote:

Probably not. CCP would have to exhibit a level of incompetence while swinging the buff bat at us that I don't think they're capable of. Or more plainly, the Drone regions have never been that good, I doubt they ever will be.

I'll also add the requisite, fix drone salvage tables and put faction drones on the market. Elite Drone AIs too while you're at it. These are trivially easy fixes, it's ridiculous that they haven't been done yet.

Some harder options that CCP could pursue.

Make only drones have the parts for T2 drones.
Make drones drop loot from all the other pirates, up to faction loot. Probably at a lower general drop rate.
Make faction drones better and/or lower their skill reqs.
Make bounties higher until you have a real fix.
Make a couple of actually good drone sites.
Make Hidden/Forsaken/Forlorn versions of 1, 4, 6, and 8/10 drone anoms.
Make specific Rouge Drone mods.
Give us back some drone poo.

Note I don't necessarily agree with all of these, but they're something. At any rate I'm sure there are many more things that could be done, I just want them to do something. Pretty much anything would be fine. Frankly I'd settle for a short devblog that sets this getting fixed in summer 2013. I'd still be upset about it taking so long, but at least I'd know they're really working on it.


I don't know, but they need to do something to make drone missions/sites a bit more lucrative.

I run 3-4 mission in my tengu, then come back to salvage in the noctis.

When it comes to drone missions you're lucky if you get more than 1mil in salvage material (based on what I got from attack of the drones).

There's no point in salvaging them and their bounty payouts aren't worth the added loss in ammo trying to kill them over other npc types.

Basically, there's no point in flying them, but I do cause I'm saving my mission turn downs for antifaction missions.
HELLBOUNDMAN
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-10-06 03:39:04 UTC
Soo. Just ran rogue drone assault and attack of the drones back to back.

For some reason since I created this thread i've been getting a crap ton of drone missions from my caldari agent.

That said, I salvaged both missions(not loot because there isn't any)

I made less than 4 million isk....
Does anyone understand how pathetic that is even for lvl 4 missions?

I mean. Less than 2 nil salvage/loot from a lvl 4 mission is less than half the average loot/salvage payout from any other mission.

This makes drone missions worth nothing more than bounty and makes drone null sec virtually worthless.

Seriously CCP, just introduce standard loot until you decide what you're going to do with rogue drones..
Alexa Coates
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-10-07 22:54:25 UTC
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
Alexa Coates wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
I wouldn't mind seeing a new pirate faction ship to fly. I don't think there is a Minmatar Caldari mix yet.

Ooh yes, interesting. But is there a pirate group who has that mix?

no.
Blood raiders Amarr - Minm
Serpentis Gallente - Minm
Angel Gallante - Minm
Sansha Amarr - Caldari
Gurista Gallente - Caldari

You forgot about the guys who fly those black and blue amarr ships that have shields and hybrids.

That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.
Fish Alabel
A Big Enough Lever
#26 - 2012-10-07 23:14:14 UTC
HELLBOUNDMAN wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
HELLBOUNDMAN wrote:
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
HELLBOUNDMAN wrote:
Yeah, is there a reason why rogue drones don't drop mission loot at all anymore?

I know they lost they stopped dropping minerals, but now they're not dropping anything...


New drone loot is theorized to be included in 2015 when they do a whole drone overhaul and new ingredients come from rogues.


they seriously need to fill it with something else until then at least...


They did. They gave you bounties, although I will still argue that compounds in lesser quantities would've been a better way to do it. You can always trust CCP to do the wrong thing.


WE get bounties, yes.

But the bounties only put them on par with bunties from other missions.

However, most other missions also have loot.
It makes up a good 5-10 mil in income tha drones don't have, so why do drone missions?



because you don't have to salvage. salvaging is boring
Klymer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2012-10-08 00:06:03 UTC
Some sort of valuable loot would be nice, a rogue drone battleship bpc is an easy one. The ship could have stats similar to the navy domi, the idea being that it's what the drones first took over when they got loose. Also, instead of the buffs to the drone damage amp, boost from 19% to 23%, they could just introduce a rogue drone version that has the 23% bonus. They could also add a navy version that drops or is available through faction warfare to even out availability. In fact, all of the drone mods could have rogue drone and navy versions released as they are the one weapons system so far that doesn't have full faction version coverage, well short of the FN omnidirectional tracking link.

I would love to be able to fly a drone bs, the legs on them are cool. They should be able to tractor a ship into range and then start disassembling it with them. Ah yeah that's it, make a Marauder class version and give it a special salvage ability that uses them. Be a great way to deal with tackler frigates lawl.
Sugar Kyle
Middle Ground
#28 - 2012-10-08 04:37:01 UTC
We were just told during Eve Vegas the drones are going to give sec gain, have officer spawns, hauler spawns, and they are trying to finish all the DED complexes. So drones are being brought in line with the other content and this should be in for the winter patch (maybe minus the DED complexes, I'd have to go check my notes again but I'm to busy running around Vegas with Eve Peeps).

Actually, decided to check my notes anyway. From CCP Bittek the notes I took were:

Rogue Drone Content:

Inherently Rogue Drone Content sucks, says Bettik. What they have done and is coming out in the next path is Rogue Drones now give sec gain. They noticed how people stopped doing Drone missions after the drone goo removal. They didn't like that people were avoiding the content.

Rogue drone regions now have hauler spawns. True sec should matter more. So they added the hauler spawns.

Adding Rogue Drone officer spawns with modules.

They are looking at salvaging material drops from Rogue Drones. To improve it from the crap that it is. Not sure what they are going to do but he will try to balance and buff it compared to everyone elses.

Finish the remaining DED complexes for rogue drones. Also adding module drops to them.

Rogue Drones drop special drones. And he said that its a broken mini profession that he is trying to correct. There are not enough copies dropping and the material is not easy enough to access. If this does not go into Retribution it will go into the next patch. This is the lowest priority of the list of drone changes he is working on.

What is the point? Make rogue drone space on par with pirate faction space. Space should be valuable thus be worth fighting over and also ninja exploring.


So, if anyone that listened has anymore to add I think I got that right. He was pretty passionate about it all. He also said some rather amusing things about tigers and sticks.

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