Ships & Modules

hey guys, need some help here. right now i have
250mm railgun I
250mm railgun I
250mm railgun I
250mm railgun I
150mm railgun I

cap recharger I
cap recharger I
10mn afterburner I

power diagnostic system I
power diagnostic system I
power diagnostic system I
armor hardener I
medium armor repairer I

4x hammerheads


im trying to do http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=TechnologicalSecrets2 and first try i lost all 4 drones to missiles. now ive been warping in and out and using iridium on the 4 250mm i can take out about 4-6 ships before i need to warp out.

ive seen a lot of people recommend antimatter, but that drops the optimal range to 15km, and the angular velocity of pirates is greater than tracking speed a lot of the time at that range... so im not sure how to effectively use that range ammo

money and skill points arent really an issue.... any advice?

Google search each mission before you start and use the recomended specific armor hardeners for a much improved tank. If you get hold of me in game and we're close i'll come along on the mission and rep you while you test your fitting.

I think I used something like this:

High: 5x Dual 150's with Antimatter
Mid: AB and 2x Cap Recharger
Low: Medium Armor Repper and 4x Mission Specific Hardeners (be it Kinetic, Thermal, Explosive or EM)

3x Medium CCC for Rigs.

5x Hammerhead Drones

Keep moving, get the Drones skill to 5 (and towards T2 Drones), and work your way towards a T2 tank, which is a relatively short train, if I remember correctly.

honestly use a vexor for missions its far superior

low sp vexor fit

high slots

3x 200mm rails (meta 3 or t2) (use dual 150mm if u cant fit the 200mm rails)
1x drone link augmentor

mid slots

2x cap rechargers (meta 4 or t2)
1x afterburner (meta 2 or t2)

low slots
1x Medium armor repper (meta 4 or t2)
2x N-type or t2 energized adaptive nano membrane
1x Damage control (meta 3 or t2)

rig slots (ask a corp mate to fit them for u if u cant fit them yourself) - to fit armor rigs train jury rigging to 3 then armor rigging to at least 1 to fit but ideally 4 to reduce the drawback effects

1x Medium Explosive armor pump 1
2x Medium Trimark armor pump 1

drones
5x medium drones (drone type depends on the rats you will be shooting) - use to kill cruisers and bigger
10x small drones (drone type depends on the rats you will be shooting) - use to kill frigs


then warp into mission (do not deploy drones until u have pulled full aggro aka all npcs in range are red boxing you)

For new players to missions the whole concept around their ship fit should be to perma run a tank imo.

On either a vexor or a rax fit a medium repper in your low slot

Then fit on some resistance based on the mission type e.g 2 hardeners. Dont fit a damage control on a mission boat.

Fit 3 x capacitior control rigs to the ship

Fill up the remaining low/mid slots with cap recharge mods unti you are cap stable with the repper running permanently.

Once you are tank cap stable fill up the rest of your slots with whatever you want.

Applying the above logic will work for fitting any active tank for any lvl mission


Ex Thorax

HI Slots:
What ever you want

Mid Slots:
Cap recharger x 3

Low Slots:
Medium repper
2 x mission specific resis
capacitor power relay x 2

Rigs
3 x medium capacitor control circuit



Use the above fit and strip out any cap recharge you dont need from your mid/low. You can add more resis, webs or whatever just make sure you can perma run that repper.


Warp in to a mission, drop a can, orbit it at 10km, hit your agro triggers, let them come to you and kill them as they get in range.

There are some missions with elite frigates. You want to use light drones for those, preferably T2.

Well ... apologies for not being able to give a better post ... but I haven't flown my Thorax in a very long time ...


For myself ... what I prefer to do - is to fit the biggest guns I can, fit a good afterburner, then engage the rats from range, getting their aggro and kiting them. I use that tactic pretty much as often as it will work and it works fairly well most of the time.

The big guns give me range to hit the enemy when they can't hit back.

Also - for those missions where I do run into their cruisers - it really helps having bigger guns ...

I carry 3 types of charges for rails - Antimatter for close range, Iridium for medium and Iron for long.

If the rats are hitting me - I'm not far enough away from them.

Now to do that I've trained Long Range Targeting and anything else I could to improve the tracking of my guns and my ability to hit the smaller targets. I also tend to carry Target Painters.

In addition to that - by kiting the rats - you are shooting back over your stern at them - thus they are at near zero deflection so tracking isn't an issue. Add in the target painter and the drones and ... frigates are no problem to my cruisers.


Now - one problem the Gallente ships have seemed to have to me ... is a lack of PG to do what I wanted. So ... I have used rigs on occasion to increase the power grid.



One problem with kiting the rats the way I do - is that it draws out the mission. If you're using Iron to kill the rats ... it is going to take longer - so you want to think about that.

If you're problem is - that you're having to warp out - you might want to engage from longer range.

If your problem is that the mission is taking to long - then you might want to decrease the range.




One thing about using the bigger guns though - is that they will give you greater range at which to use your Antimatter charges ... Your big problem with big guns - is if you get dumped into a mess - you have to AB your way clear of them before your guns become effective.



What I remember about the Dual 150 vs. 250mm's was that I liked the killing power of the 250's much, much better. But that was a long time ago ... so ... *shrug*

Of course ... you could possibly fit the 200's as a compromise.


*shrug*

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All missions can be tanked with an omnitank, and unless you are terrible it will make little difference to your damage output.

i don't agree with you, a damage control II has saved my ass a few times while doing missions

Different people use different tactics and those tactics can make the bit you gain from using a dedicated module as opposed to an omni module matter. If you Kite the rats as opposed to diving in and brawling with them - then the details of your tank make much less difference. Of course ... your missions may take longer to complete as well ...




Mostly ... I use Omni modules because I'm lazy ... (and that is the reason) ... though I have on occasion set up fits what use specific ones - for the specific purpose of learning how they worked. Then I went back to the omni modules ... because I was lazy ... And as to ammo ... I just put enough in my hold to last several missions so I don't have to fool with that either.


So - if you're warping out because you're brawling and getting all shot up trying to get the mission over faster - then every little thing you do can help. Or ... if you're warping out for any other reason ...

If you're just Kiting the rats because it's safer and you're not in that hell bent rush to get to Level IV's ... then it makes much less difference.


Also - you often get a mission where there is no symbol for the rats in the Agents Mission Briefing - this usually means mercenaries - which can be of multiple ship types but, unless you've read some mission notes on that mission - can be all of some unknown type. Here an omni tank will let you be prepared for whatever they are.



In favor of the rat specific modules - is when you enter in on a mission that you are not familiar with - where the rats throw something unexpected at you and ... things turn rapidly to **** ... There the extra bit you get from specific modules might save your ass. Same thing goes for DCU's.


*shrug*

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