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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#21 - 2012-10-07 14:08:02 UTC
Arec Bardwin wrote:
Corp tax on market transactions would make literally EVERY trader join their private trade corp.


Almost every manufacturer does this anyways, why not add market traders to that group.

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Weiland Taur
The Icarus Expedition
Solyaris Chtonium
#22 - 2012-10-07 14:11:44 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Weiland Taur wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Weiland Taur wrote:

So what happens when your greedy little ore monkey decides they have had enough of your taxing, compresses the minerals and then ships them to hisec for sale, bypassing your donut munching tax collector on the indock, entirely? The mechanic for taxing any and all corp members already exists it just takes a bit of work from your directors. True Rat taxes are automatically taken and Ore taxes have to be tracked and collected, but the mechanics are already in place.

CCP can't get POS's redone and you want them to make a magical ore collection tax fairy? Sounds like nothing but trouble.

That's simply. Allow the corporation to tax market transactions as well.


You are proposing a system that would do nothing other than push players back into the NPC corps at record numbers and or the use of alts to move materials to get around corp tracking. The cool side effect of having to track mining is that it promotes team gameplay. There is a strange parasitic undertone to this thread...

Well, if they want to pay some ridiculous amount in taxes to the NPCs, they should be more than welcome to. Just because a corporation would be able to tax everything, doesn't mean that all corporations would. All I'm advocating is the implementation of tools to tax everything, not a requirement to do so.

Lin, the rebuttal for you is the same. If you're saying that giving corporations the ability to tax all transactions would push people into solo play, then you're discounting the possibility that not all corporations would tax everything. If you're right, then that highlights a much deeper underlying problem with EVE's player base, which is simply repressed by a lack of gameplay mechanics.


Fair enough.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-10-07 14:28:05 UTC
Arec Bardwin wrote:
Corp tax on market transactions would make literally EVERY trader join their private trade corp.


And would also please those hating NPC alts/players.

Would also please those who love wardec single man corps

But in the end the problem would still be the same, corps wouldn't get any more taxes than they already have because those players are not interested on giving them, and there's a reason for this, up to corporations holders to make sort those players actually like and want to join their corporation and dedicate effort for it.

You couldn't also dmg them isk wise just like you can't now, so in the end where's the real problem and how to solve it without breaking the current game?
- trading skills and market fees are the answer but no one wants to touch this because at some point each and every one will or already gets huge profits from it and are not ready to let them go. It's easier to ask more taxes on different things, like minerals on your ore hold Roll

brb
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#24 - 2012-10-07 14:39:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Lin-Young Borovskova
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Lin, the rebuttal for you is the same. If you're saying that giving corporations the ability to tax all transactions would push people into solo play, then you're discounting the possibility that not all corporations would tax everything. If you're right, then that highlights a much deeper underlying problem with EVE's player base, which is simply repressed by a lack of gameplay mechanics.


Yes I do understand your point and giving options it's somehow a good thing to do but when you take a close look around at high sec/low sec/null sec you actually can figure out in the end, all taxes/rent whatever put together represent far more the the 11% NPC tax, and the majority of this isk does not serve/goes to corporation/alliance members.
Even some alliances with important reimbursement programs with wallets literally exploding of isk manage to always keep their personal/friends/FC's wallet generously flooded+free plex etc while the grunt has to pay for he's loss while moving from point A to point B while not in fleet or whatever excuse.
Of course this is not the case for all alliances and corporations but I'd really like to know where's that perfect corp because I'd like to play with them and I'm sure there are a couple hundreds if not thousands of players ready to join it and make it the next Eve winners.

It's not interesting to get in to details on why and how but the current tax system while I do think it needs some work it's more about holders/directors options vs players than the other way around because they already have far too much ways to flood their wallet with hideous amounts of isk.

brb
Josef Djugashvilis
#25 - 2012-10-07 17:40:24 UTC
The very act of mining is taxing enough.

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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#26 - 2012-10-07 19:08:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Cipher Jones
Mallak Azaria wrote:
xtreamer wrote:
will corp tax system ever get changed to take an % of ore from an player ore will it just take isk from bounties from rats killed and rewards from agents





Probably not, since we can do this out in 0.0 through station refining. There is a way to tax ore in other areas of space but you have to put in effort.


And since you're running bots, it really streamlines the whole process.

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Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#27 - 2012-10-07 21:34:23 UTC
I think it's great. Tax everything. Smile More profits for Faction governments, more fees to collect for private corporations, and...

now player corps can do it too. Big smile ..or they should be able to anyway, if the NPCs can. Cool
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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#28 - 2012-10-09 01:23:57 UTC
xtreamer wrote:
will corp tax system ever get changed to take an % of ore from an player ore will it just take isk from bounties from rats killed and rewards from agents





Own a station. Get a % cut of the ore refined at your station. Done.

Of course there are a few other details about owning a station, such as - keeping a station. Please don't be like a thousand other deluded fools who thinks that nullsec needs yet ANOTHER station. Take the ones that are there. Because after you've spent the multiple billions in making your very own station in that dead end pocket (which you just killed for everyone congrats), I guarantee that in two weeks or so someone will kick you out from your space, and there goes your station.

But yeah, station owners get to "tax ore".
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