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xtreamer
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-10-07 09:34:38 UTC
will corp tax system ever get changed to take an % of ore from an player ore will it just take isk from bounties from rats killed and rewards from agents



Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#2 - 2012-10-07 09:39:09 UTC
How you want to tax ore?

Someone is mining and some of his mined ice/asteroids magically disappear from his cargo hold and reappears into the corp hangar? Shocked
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-10-07 09:41:02 UTC
xtreamer wrote:
will corp tax system ever get changed to take an % of ore from an player ore will it just take isk from bounties from rats killed and rewards from agents





Probably not, since we can do this out in 0.0 through station refining. There is a way to tax ore in other areas of space but you have to put in effort.

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xtreamer
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-10-07 09:48:03 UTC

eg 5% tax goes from player to corp then corps 5% wold be split with station depending on standing the corp has with that station owner
xtreamer
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-10-07 09:56:24 UTC
yes in 0.0 if u own an station the corp that owns the station gets an % of ore when refined witch then leves out corp tax

eg player refines in a station in 0.0 the station owner gets ore from that player then the player get some ore back and the corp that player is in get 0% tax from the refining there for corp tax dont apply when refining ore in station
xtreamer
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-10-07 10:00:16 UTC  |  Edited by: xtreamer
Pak Narhoo wrote:
How you want to tax ore?

Someone is mining and some of his mined ice/asteroids magically disappear from his cargo hold and reappears into the corp hangar? Shocked




when mining raw ore that would be like loot from wrecks in an mision and refining ore wold be like the tax u have to pay when u get your bounties
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
#7 - 2012-10-07 10:01:12 UTC
I need a graph man, you're kinda losing me here. What?
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#8 - 2012-10-07 10:05:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Destiny Corrupted
I'd like to see the 11% NPC tax applied to mining and market sell orders/contracts. Actually, should be more like 25%. On top of that, implement a corp tax system that taxes player-corp miners when they refine in a station. Can make the tax go to the corp deliveries hangar, even if there's no office. This would force the grubby money-munchkins to either pay for NPC protection, pay for in-corp defenders (out of the dozens ****** high-sec corps I've infiltrated, the grand majority of the miners played only for their own sake, and constantly whined about the guys with pvp skills not doing enough to protect them despite contributing nothing), or run their own corporations.

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Hypercake Mix
#9 - 2012-10-07 10:23:37 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
(out of the dozens ****** high-sec corps I've infiltrated, the grand majority of the miners played only for their own sake, and constantly whined about the guys with pvp skills not doing enough to protect them despite contributing nothing), or run their own corporations.

Wait... monthly quotas through contracts and/or corp industry projects for shared profit isn't normal?
xtreamer
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-10-07 10:43:26 UTC
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#11 - 2012-10-07 10:48:55 UTC
The whole tax system needs redone. Allow corporations to set different tax rates based off of different titles. Ore taxing can be done when refined, either at a NPC station or how it is now with player owned stations.

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Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-10-07 11:01:01 UTC
tax should include LP/RP

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Weiland Taur
The Icarus Expedition
Solyaris Chtonium
#13 - 2012-10-07 12:34:44 UTC

So what happens when your greedy little ore monkey decides they have had enough of your taxing, compresses the minerals and then ships them to hisec for sale, bypassing your donut munching tax collector on the indock, entirely? The mechanic for taxing any and all corp members already exists it just takes a bit of work from your directors. True Rat taxes are automatically taken and Ore taxes have to be tracked and collected, but the mechanics are already in place.

CCP can't get POS's redone and you want them to make a magical ore collection tax fairy? Sounds like nothing but trouble.
Sarmea Moon
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-10-07 12:42:21 UTC
Pak Narhoo wrote:
How you want to tax ore?

Someone is mining and some of his mined ice/asteroids magically disappear from his cargo hold and reappears into the corp hangar? Shocked




I want this. I PROMISE not to abuse this by putting my alt corp tax at 100%, and never needing to haul from a belt ever ever again:D

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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#15 - 2012-10-07 12:45:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Destiny Corrupted
Weiland Taur wrote:

So what happens when your greedy little ore monkey decides they have had enough of your taxing, compresses the minerals and then ships them to hisec for sale, bypassing your donut munching tax collector on the indock, entirely? The mechanic for taxing any and all corp members already exists it just takes a bit of work from your directors. True Rat taxes are automatically taken and Ore taxes have to be tracked and collected, but the mechanics are already in place.

CCP can't get POS's redone and you want them to make a magical ore collection tax fairy? Sounds like nothing but trouble.

That's simple. Allow the corporation to tax market transactions as well.

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Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-10-07 12:53:46 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
I'd like to see the 11% NPC tax applied to mining and market sell orders/contracts. Actually, should be more like 25%. On top of that, implement a corp tax system that taxes player-corp miners when they refine in a station. Can make the tax go to the corp deliveries hangar, even if there's no office. This would force the grubby money-munchkins to either pay for NPC protection, pay for in-corp defenders (out of the dozens ****** high-sec corps I've infiltrated, the grand majority of the miners played only for their own sake, and constantly whined about the guys with pvp skills not doing enough to protect them despite contributing nothing), or run their own corporations.



Yes make this game even less interesting and more solo playing because it's what Eve is about, you, your wallet and your army of alts. Amirite?

Complete non sense.

brb
Weiland Taur
The Icarus Expedition
Solyaris Chtonium
#17 - 2012-10-07 12:57:26 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Weiland Taur wrote:

So what happens when your greedy little ore monkey decides they have had enough of your taxing, compresses the minerals and then ships them to hisec for sale, bypassing your donut munching tax collector on the indock, entirely? The mechanic for taxing any and all corp members already exists it just takes a bit of work from your directors. True Rat taxes are automatically taken and Ore taxes have to be tracked and collected, but the mechanics are already in place.

CCP can't get POS's redone and you want them to make a magical ore collection tax fairy? Sounds like nothing but trouble.

That's simply. Allow the corporation to tax market transactions as well.


You are proposing a system that would do nothing other than push players back into the NPC corps at record numbers and or the use of alts to move materials to get around corp tracking. The cool side effect of having to track mining is that it promotes team gameplay. There is a strange parasitic undertone to this thread...
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-10-07 12:59:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Lin-Young Borovskova
Sarmea Moon wrote:
Pak Narhoo wrote:
How you want to tax ore?

Someone is mining and some of his mined ice/asteroids magically disappear from his cargo hold and reappears into the corp hangar? Shocked




I want this. I PROMISE not to abuse this by putting my alt corp tax at 100%, and never needing to haul from a belt ever ever again:D



Also this.

Some players have this incredible will to implement easy to manipulate/exploit mechanics. If something should bring more taxes to corps wallets is trading because everyone knows how bad actual system is.
Trading players never undocking or interacting with someone else have their wallets literally exploding of isk and pay almost nothing as NPC tax/fee.

If something these uber dudes should ask CCP is really to change trading skills and NPC taxes on trading/day trading etc.
Instead of reducing NPC fees only those skills should reduce effectively the NPC amount, but the difference in between base one and NPC tax amount should go directly to corp wallet.

brb
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#19 - 2012-10-07 13:22:37 UTC
Weiland Taur wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Weiland Taur wrote:

So what happens when your greedy little ore monkey decides they have had enough of your taxing, compresses the minerals and then ships them to hisec for sale, bypassing your donut munching tax collector on the indock, entirely? The mechanic for taxing any and all corp members already exists it just takes a bit of work from your directors. True Rat taxes are automatically taken and Ore taxes have to be tracked and collected, but the mechanics are already in place.

CCP can't get POS's redone and you want them to make a magical ore collection tax fairy? Sounds like nothing but trouble.

That's simply. Allow the corporation to tax market transactions as well.


You are proposing a system that would do nothing other than push players back into the NPC corps at record numbers and or the use of alts to move materials to get around corp tracking. The cool side effect of having to track mining is that it promotes team gameplay. There is a strange parasitic undertone to this thread...

Well, if they want to pay some ridiculous amount in taxes to the NPCs, they should be more than welcome to. Just because a corporation would be able to tax everything, doesn't mean that all corporations would. All I'm advocating is the implementation of tools to tax everything, not a requirement to do so.

Lin, the rebuttal for you is the same. If you're saying that giving corporations the ability to tax all transactions would push people into solo play, then you're discounting the possibility that not all corporations would tax everything. If you're right, then that highlights a much deeper underlying problem with EVE's player base, which is simply repressed by a lack of gameplay mechanics.

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Arec Bardwin
#20 - 2012-10-07 13:27:02 UTC
Corp tax on market transactions would make literally EVERY trader join their private trade corp.
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