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Getting Players out of Starter/NPC Corps and into Player Corps
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Kaara Kincaid
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-10-06 18:29:45 UTC
Having returned to this game after a long while, I love the new tax on belonging to an NPC Corp.

I'd like to take it a step further:

When you log on - a summary of your patriotic contributions to the NPC Corporation. (To let players know how much ISK staying in the starter corp is costing them @ a 11% rate)


After trial period (or 30 days, or X days) , because of their "Patriotism", move them to a new faction corporation with a higher tax rate (say 15%). So for example, Caldari: State War Academy to Home Guard, then after another 30 days, move them to Caldari Navy which in addition to the higher rate is also Factional Warfare enabled.

You could have fun with the idea, and require them to fulfil condition X to avoid being placed on the "front lines", either by running X missions for Home Guard (Or the Factional Equivalent) or Delivery Y amount of Ore to Lai Dai etc.


In my opinion, player run corporations (or starting your own if you don't want to play with others) is the best way to encourage growth, diversification and teamwork. In a MMO, we should be looking for ways to encourage socialization. I don't know if stats exist, but I'd love to know how many active players remain in the starter corp. From what I see in my chat, it's way too many.


I say if you want unfettered access to the ISK you earned, you have to pay for it... one way or another Twisted
Furry Commander
Furry Armada
#2 - 2012-10-06 18:44:11 UTC
a lot of people in NPC corps are just alts and new toons. i would be surprised if a large number of mains stayed in starter or NPC corps for long
Fal Dara
Vortex Command Corporation
Power Legion
#3 - 2012-10-07 03:10:07 UTC
Both accounts i own are now NPC corp possesions.

Fal here has 127m SP's (some in reserve i havnt used) ... and there is NO reason whatsoever to join a player corp. That is the problem. Why should i?

It's not about war decs--although i dont pvp, and would likley leave most corps upon them recieving a dec... I wouldnt willingly participate in PvP in any situation--even if you forced me into some NPC corp that was FW enabled.

Raise my taxes? fine. Most people in NPC corps mine, or build. The 11% doesnt bother me, as most of the pvp/0.0 corps i or my alts have ever been in were 10% to 100% taxes ... there's no difference there. in some cases i'm way better off. (many 0.0 corps bump taxes to 100% durring ops(that can last weeks or months) to discourage ratting--which is terrible income anyway!).

Add on top of this, the fact that most player corps are inept at everything they do, and abuse industry folks like myself... and i just NEVER have a reason to be in one. They want me to build this or that, for no profit, or free (hello, who mined it? bought it? built it? fueled that pos? ME. pay me. have some respect. PvPrs dont respect miners or builders, they cant tell the difference).

Go to 0.0 ... to .. pvp? joy. forced log-in times for forced ops to participate in some roam or other pvp camping session that will leave me with 5 horus wasted humping a gate, running from larger fleets, or lagging out when we're hot-dropped. That's .... fun?

go to 0.0 for ... mining? Put some more trit and pyer in the ABC's and make them 3-4 times more valueable than veld in empire, and you'd have a point... but as it stands, i can make a 2 week old retriever alt and mine more in 0.7.

make friends? i do that already, quite well in the NPC corp, where there are 400 people that i can help, mission with, 1v1, talk about ANYthing to, find fits, etc etc. player corp? 10-50 people who hardly ever talk, if they're ever on. I live in alaska. My time zone excludes me from just about everything. all the US ops are east-coasters, and i catch the tail end. all the euro ops i'm asleep 2 hours before it starts, and the ausies are 4 hours off as well ....

WHY? ... why join a player corp? it offers nothing to me whatsoever. Not ISK, not nore people/friends, not more security ... nothing.

change THAT. (and i didnt even touch on the drama and pissing contests)

raise my taxes. see if i care. i dont. i'll mission less, and build/mine more.

and those that do care will create 1 man corps and get bored and unsub in a few months.

just like when they added the 11%.

next.
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#4 - 2012-10-07 03:44:25 UTC
No. You can't and won't force people to play the game the way you want. They'll just go find another game if you try a heavy-handed approach like you're proposing. This is supposed to be a sandbox style MMO where multiple play styles are equally valid. Why is your way more valid than others'?

As the poster above pointed out there are many people who have reasons why they don't want to be in a player-run corp. Proposals like yours would only increase the number of single player corps or, ultimately, cause a portion to simply leave. It's not terribly smart to go pissing off customers in a field that has so many compelling competitors and during an economic downturn.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-10-07 05:44:45 UTC
Not everyone thinks a MMO can't be a solo game. Im gonna go out on a limb here and you just want to force all the carebears to fight back for easy targets.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec.
Joelleaveek
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-10-07 05:45:16 UTC
I really like it in the Center for Advanced Studies, and as long as it remains full of smart folks who are passionate about the game i won't consider leaving.
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#7 - 2012-10-07 05:57:36 UTC
I think we should just increase the tax to 38%; more like real life that way. Big smile
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Kaara Kincaid
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-10-07 07:55:59 UTC
Commander Ted wrote:
Not everyone thinks a MMO can't be a solo game. Im gonna go out on a limb here and you just want to force all the carebears to fight back for easy targets.

... or pay for the priviledge of remaining under the umbrella of an NPC Corp.

Fal Dara, I'm very much hearing your perspective, and have experienced everything you've talked about, but for most Eve as a solo game is nowhere near as fun as Eve with friends.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-10-07 09:35:59 UTC
Fal Dara wrote:
It's not about war decs--although i dont pvp, and would likley leave most corps upon them recieving a dec... I wouldnt willingly participate in PvP in any situation--even if you forced me into some NPC corp that was FW enabled.


Wait so it's not about PvP for you, it's about PvP?

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