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WTS - Premium Wormhole

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Damag
The Unnamed.
Necromonic Empyrean
#1 - 2012-10-05 07:32:48 UTC
Greetings,

The Unnamed has decided to sell its most prized ISK making reservoir; a moon locked class 2 wormhole. This WH, J113230, has the following characteristics.

Class 2, W-Space

*12 Moons; currently this WH is moon locked preventing any invading force from easily anchoring a tower in preparation for future conquest

*Static Empire (B274); This allows instant access to empire space at any time. Excellent for refueling, and ease of transportation to market.

*Static Class 3 (O477); Instead of rolling through WH's looking for targets of opportunity, sites to run, or gas to mine, simply collapse the O477 and open a new one. Rinse repeat.

Planets:

Planet I - Barren
Planet II - Oceanic
Planet III - Temperate
Planet IV - Temperate
Planet V - Temperate
Planet IV- Gas
Planet VII - Temperate
Planet VIII - Barren


Our Operations:

The Unnamed spent over two years in this WH supplying the T3 market with raw gas, reacted T3 materials and PI. We farmed the Class 3 WH for gas, bringing in 80% of the materials needed for reactions. Each tower was turned into a factory, essentially turning the entire WH in to a industry center for all things T3. With minimal effort, we supplied the WH with fuel and reactions to further our interests.

In addition, we have built several capital ships for defensive deployment. Three Thanatos' and two Revelations, fully fit with logistic and siege capabilities are also included in the sale. Our medium sized corp has withstood several hostile attacks in that time, and we've managed to repel all invaders.

Profits:

We have made well over 200 billion in profit from reactions, C3 farming, and sites over the last year alone. This does not include personal profit our pilots have made through the planetary reactions from a -1.0 system. Future plans were to mine Grav sites, and build ships/drones in the WH for sale on the market.

Why sell? We are selling this cash cow because we are simply interested in another game opportunity.

Sale Process:

All sales will go through Chribba. We have formed a conservator corp named J113230 Conservator for the purpose of facilitating this sale. Interested buyers may put an alt in this corp to verify corp assets. All money will be held in escrow by Chribba until both parties are satisfied. Once the sale is made, we will ensure the location of the empire exit is known, and all appropriate parties may enter. At this time, the CEO role will be handed over to the buyer, we will leave, drop roles and wish you the kind of success we have had over the last two years.

We will be more than happy to provide advice concerning how we managed operations should you desire to follow suit.

Starting Bid Price:

BID: 20 Billion
All sales are final.

Please respond in this thread. I will certainly be available when possible for a private convo when I am on.

Thank you,
Damag
Lord Karganeth
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-10-05 13:28:25 UTC
So the cost of the caps being around 13b if you bought it straight off the market, where does the other 7bill come from?

Ill bid 7b just for the sake of getting you started, feel free to ignore it.

because you cant get the caps out =)
TriadSte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-10-05 15:39:28 UTC  |  Edited by: TriadSte
So you've made 3.5 billion isk....

per week....

from a Class 2 Wormhole

Wash your mouth with soap, the dirty lies you speak are filthy. Seriously I've previously lived in a C3 for about 18 months and there's no chance on earth your getting sites spawning constantly to the tune of 3.5 billion isk a week & every week in a class 2.

Moon locked gives it some value I agree but the caps don't because as the above poster stated, you cannot get them out so that decreases value right off the bat.

20 Billion...

lawl
Damag
The Unnamed.
Necromonic Empyrean
#4 - 2012-10-05 17:43:32 UTC
TriadSte wrote:
So you've made 3.5 billion isk....

per week....

from a Class 2 Wormhole

Wash your mouth with soap, the dirty lies you speak are filthy. Seriously I've previously lived in a C3 for about 18 months and there's no chance on earth your getting sites spawning constantly to the tune of 3.5 billion isk a week & every week in a class 2.

Moon locked gives it some value I agree but the caps don't because as the above poster stated, you cannot get them out so that decreases value right off the bat.

20 Billion...

lawl



When you learn "Reading Comprehension 101" and see that we have a STATIC C3 that spawns. So when we are done running sites and mining gas in one C3, we close the WH, another respawns and we mine that one. Read the whole thread before you start spouting off things. You sound like a moron.

So tell me again how we didn't make 3.5 billion a week?
Damag
The Unnamed.
Necromonic Empyrean
#5 - 2012-10-05 17:45:56 UTC
Lord Karganeth wrote:
So the cost of the caps being around 13b if you bought it straight off the market, where does the other 7bill come from?

Ill bid 7b just for the sake of getting you started, feel free to ignore it.

because you cant get the caps out =)


We also included the cost of the towers currently anchored. They are all larges and are fully stronted with enough fuel in them to allow for a defense should the need arise.
TriadSte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-10-05 19:07:03 UTC
I'm not spouting off I just know you didn't make 3.5 bil every single week. Simply because of the way sites spawn in a wormhole. Especially class 2. There will have been days where you had just 1 or 2 sites for example.

As far as farming other people's wormholes, yes you can but most of the time they will fight you until you leave the hole. Nobody lets you run their sites freely.

That's all, oh and yeah....you'll never get a buyer.
Marcus McTavish
Volcel Police
#7 - 2012-10-05 19:49:32 UTC
TriadSte wrote:
I'm not spouting off I just know you didn't make 3.5 bil every single week. Simply because of the way sites spawn in a wormhole. Especially class 2. There will have been days where you had just 1 or 2 sites for example.

As far as farming other people's wormholes, yes you can but most of the time they will fight you until you leave the hole. Nobody lets you run their sites freely.

That's all, oh and yeah....you'll never get a buyer.


The price is ****, the profit is okay.

Fight you? Hell no, most WH inhabitants are bears.

I had a C3, people would run my sites all the time, i was not online most of the time. Only on the Weekends. I ran all of the sites on Saturday, I would make 2.5 billion + in one day. Solo.

Its entirely plausible for 3.5 billion per week in a C2 if the corp is active.

Boarder-line point is: If you are worrying about fuel prices, you are doing whs wrong.
Damag
The Unnamed.
Necromonic Empyrean
#8 - 2012-10-05 19:52:12 UTC
TriadSte wrote:
I'm not spouting off I just know you didn't make 3.5 bil every single week. Simply because of the way sites spawn in a wormhole. Especially class 2. There will have been days where you had just 1 or 2 sites for example.

As far as farming other people's wormholes, yes you can but most of the time they will fight you until you leave the hole. Nobody lets you run their sites freely.

That's all, oh and yeah....you'll never get a buyer.

Wow. You really have no idea what you're talking about do you?

We didn't make all that money from simply farming sites. Which is, exactly what I said in my OP. Look, YOU may not be able to make that kind of money. But don't call me a liar and then not be able to back up your claims. We manufactured Scandium Metallofullerene and methanofullerene, in addition to PI and farming sites. Remember what I said...

Damag wrote:
We have made well over 200 billion in profit from reactions, C3 farming, and sites over the last year alone.

You don't think it's possible to make that kind of money in a week? If so, then you REALLY have no idea what you're talking about.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-10-05 20:19:01 UTC
TriadSte wrote:
So you've made 3.5 billion isk....

per week....

from a Class 2 Wormhole

Wash your mouth with soap, the dirty lies you speak are filthy. Seriously I've previously lived in a C3 for about 18 months and there's no chance on earth your getting sites spawning constantly to the tune of 3.5 billion isk a week & every week in a class 2.

Moon locked gives it some value I agree but the caps don't because as the above poster stated, you cannot get them out so that decreases value right off the bat.

20 Billion...

lawl



Granted the price is extremely high. Yes it is a C2/HS/C3. Yes it is nice that it has so few moons. But 20bil?

Regardless however, you are an idiot. Farming your C3 is extremely profitable. If you are doing it right you leave your C2 alone to attract visitors for PVP :)

And no, you dont just go farm every C3 you get. You find the right ones. There are still pleny of crappy C3's that are empty that can accumulate large amounts of anoms. One night in a C3 like that will generate billions.
Damag
The Unnamed.
Necromonic Empyrean
#10 - 2012-10-05 23:36:17 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
TriadSte wrote:
So you've made 3.5 billion isk....

per week....

from a Class 2 Wormhole

Wash your mouth with soap, the dirty lies you speak are filthy. Seriously I've previously lived in a C3 for about 18 months and there's no chance on earth your getting sites spawning constantly to the tune of 3.5 billion isk a week & every week in a class 2.

Moon locked gives it some value I agree but the caps don't because as the above poster stated, you cannot get them out so that decreases value right off the bat.

20 Billion...

lawl



Granted the price is extremely high. Yes it is a C2/HS/C3. Yes it is nice that it has so few moons. But 20bil?

Regardless however, you are an idiot. Farming your C3 is extremely profitable. If you are doing it right you leave your C2 alone to attract visitors for PVP :)

And no, you dont just go farm every C3 you get. You find the right ones. There are still pleny of crappy C3's that are empty that can accumulate large amounts of anoms. One night in a C3 like that will generate billions.


We are aware that our asking price is significant. We also feel that for this type of WH, with unlimited access to empire for refueling, as well as an endless supply to sites to run in the C3 next door, combined with such a reasonable number of moons to defend, its fair. The PVP opportunities are endless as well. Ships spawning K162's pass through often, creating the empire exit which invite others in all the time. While we didn't choose to PVP very often, those who wish to bait, have more than a reasonable chance of doing so.

We are also providing a fleet of capitals for defense. If deployed correctly by skilled pilots, they can be game changing. Most WH's corporations which intend to set up long term operations, like ourselves, plan on building caps anyway. We've simply included the cost of the ship, minus the opportunity cost to actually build them. We're even keeping risk mitigation to a minimum while combining force multipliers to make even a medium sized corp formidable.

I appreciate your comments however. Thank you. As you, and those reading this know, a WH like this is not always available, Either they will have lowsec statics, or too many moons, or simply not have the C3 spawns.
Nameless Reaper
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-10-06 07:32:05 UTC
decent but price is to high in my opinion, ide rather get a C3 static high sec with static C4s to run and collapse
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-10-06 13:02:23 UTC
Nameless Reaper wrote:
decent but price is to high in my opinion, ide rather get a C3 static high sec with static C4s to run and collapse


Either a typo or something. No C3's with double statics.
Nameless Reaper
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-10-06 18:14:52 UTC
yes there is owned by golden guns when it existed, ask any former or current member or sloppyjosh. we had a C3 that ALWAYS led to highsec and c4s
Damag
The Unnamed.
Necromonic Empyrean
#14 - 2012-10-06 19:45:53 UTC
Nameless Reaper wrote:
decent but price is to high in my opinion, ide rather get a C3 static high sec with static C4s to run and collapse



So would we. And if we did have it, we'd sell it for more than 20 billion. It would be like printing ISK at that point. This WH is easily defensible, has a built in cap fleet, low moon count and you can run all the C3's you want.

Also we know what we've made living here. When someone does buy this, they will make their money back in about a month and a half. We think that's fair.
Magellan
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-10-06 20:02:52 UTC
I would buy, but no money Lol
Damag
The Unnamed.
Necromonic Empyrean
#16 - 2012-10-07 18:30:59 UTC
Several interested parties, no acceptable bids thus far. Auction still open.
TriadSte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-10-08 09:12:28 UTC
Nameless Reaper wrote:
yes there is owned by golden guns when it existed, ask any former or current member or sloppyjosh. we had a C3 that ALWAYS led to highsec and c4s


Your wrong.

That C3 Wolf Rayet was the one my ex corp took over when we joined the alliance around 2010. Golden Guns then left the WH. It was a static low nothing else.
Lokitoki81
SniggWaffe
WAFFLES.
#18 - 2012-10-08 12:45:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Lokitoki81
TriadSte wrote:
Nameless Reaper wrote:
yes there is owned by golden guns when it existed, ask any former or current member or sloppyjosh. we had a C3 that ALWAYS led to highsec and c4s


Your wrong.

That C3 Wolf Rayet was the one my ex corp took over when we joined the alliance around 2010. Golden Guns then left the WH. It was a static low nothing else.


http://www.wormnav.com/index.php?locus=J113230
Statics O477 B274
Class 3 HighSec
Sig Size 5 10


http://www.eveeye.com/ips.asp?opt=48NB&system=J113230
Connection to ● high-sec system via static B274 wormhole. Signature Strength 0,27%
Connection to unknown ● class 3 system via static O477 wormhole. Signature Strength 0,14%

Lets hope this clears things up abit.

This class 2 has static to C3 and HS as stated by seller.

TriadSte, either you are trolling.... if so.... please stop. OR, you have no clue... if so... please stop.

PS. Regarding the value of this hole and what comes with the hole. IF you are a DEDICATED corp with a solid memberbase this whole will easily generate the isk stated by seller. Its about using the systems full potential.

This is NOT a beginner system where you learn how to live in a WH. You CAN, but its not worth that isk for a beginners WH.

So if you are serious about WH and making isk, go ahead and get it. If you are a troll or have no clue about WHs, dont bother.
Damag
The Unnamed.
Necromonic Empyrean
#19 - 2012-10-08 18:47:40 UTC
This WH is not a beginner, nor would I suggest someone operate it solo.

We had three distinct operations underway at any given time. Class 3 farming, reactions, and PI. As stated by numerous others, it does take a small dedicated group in our opinion to run this WH effectively. If you intend to farm the C3, then I would suggest several orcas to collapse the WH when you are done. So once again, it does require some significant skills.

However, I would also like to point out, we rarely farmed the neighboring C3 more than one or two nights a week. A larger corporation could farm nightly. I could only speculate at that time how much ISK could be made. But 200 billion between a handful of guys is not a bad way to go.

The initial cost of the WH is high, but we also feel you will be spending 10,000 ISK for every million you make. We're also providing a way to defend it. All in all, this is a solid investment in our opinion.

Damag
The Unnamed.
Necromonic Empyrean
#20 - 2012-10-09 18:19:31 UTC
Several interested parties, no acceptable bids. Sale still in progress.

Also, just to answer some of the questions I've been asked through private convo's...

* Yes, you may be able to make more than 3.5billion a week. Corps more active than our own may be able to do this. I only stated what we made doing our operations with the limited amount of time we had to play each week.

* Yes, there are people who will come into the WH through K162's, you can't prevent them from coming in.

* No, wormholes do not spawn until you warp to them. With the exception of the previously mentioned K162.

* Yes, if you desire, we will take down the placeholder towers we have in place in order to reduce the price. We would then consider the cost of the capitals, and the value of the WH itself to be around 15.6 billion. However, I would recommend leaving one tower up to store the capitals.

* No. We will not consider a "lay-a-way", or "rent to own" plan.
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