EVE General Discussion

if you look at the total amount of monthly subscriptions paid during a games lifetime, eve ins probably second only to world of warcraft

don't forget that games like warhammer online, age of conan, AION or even swtor rapidly loose subscribers in the first 6 months after launch

qualty not quantity

tho latly qualty of eve players has droped latly we have alot whiners crying for nurfs

Probably because it's the only game around where acting like a scum and solo with alts/multiboxing is actually better rewarded than the other way around.

Short story: it's not for everyone.

To answer the OP: Eve is very much a niche game. There is nothing wrong with that.

EVE is BDSM with out a safe word.

league of legends is not an MMO /thread

not only that but comparatively EVE is much more attention-intensive to do right.

Yeah we have AFK miners. no one cares about them. Not even me. My time playing has seen a sharp drop in number of fucks given about the topic of gankers hungering for my blood on the (now rare) occasions I don't have anything better to do than mine.

The easiest way to make ISK takes a few months to train a character for. Yes, incursions. You can't spend 16 hours a day at your computer for five days and be showered with awesome. doesn't work. this is turnoff number 1.

Doing Mining, Trade and Industry. In order to really see the good profits you have to be aware of what's going on around you (player aggro makes getting jumped by a 4-pack of elites in WoW seem like a damn cakewalk when yer in a covetor), and if you just mine a load and hit sell mindlessly whenever you kiss the station you're losing money. Manufacturers who don't pay attention to costs pay more to build things than they can sell it for. oh, and the most profitable way to get the raw materiel is... mine it yourself. Oh and you have to learn to play the market, train skills that dont help you pewpew, etc. This is turnoff number 2

For the people who say "**** that sissy caebear ****, PEWPEWPEWPEWPEW!" there are consequences for failure. How many times do we routinely deal with bitchrants about "I was ganked! I got blobbed! I picked a fight and he was surrounded by cloaky bomber buddies! WAAAAAAAH!" There are consequences measured by your in-game wallet. You just lost your shiny superdeath battleship, you forgot to insure it and now all you can afford is a T1 cruiser hull and meta 3 guns with which to rebuild. Then you realize... no one cares. This is turnoff number 3.

Then you have the fact that in EVE, the sympathy level of most of the players approaches ZERO, unless you ask them the right questions on how to un-moron or de-newb yourself and improve your play. The sympathy level doesn't change, but I've found most people quite willing to help if your first comment on the subject isn't a cry for the WAAAAAAAHHHmbulance. Most MMO gamers are running between the age of 13 and 27. Most of them are used to instant gratification and a brutal system shocks the sanity out of them. This is turnoff number 4.

This is all the tip of the iceberg of why people don't like EVE the way they like League of Legends. Yes people voyeur watch LoL matches. No one watches EVE because if you don't know where to look you won't find anything exciting. Nobody wants to watch or hear me run numbers on whether or not a lowsec moon goo base would be worth the cost to set up or defend. I've seen city borough assembly meetings more exciting than that ****. But I, and everyone else, just don't care.

When I talk to people about EVE, now that I've spent some time correcting early failures in skill training, planning, etc I have to preface the conversation with the simple statement that (this is important) ***EVE online is a MMO game for grownups.*** The level of effort required is much higher, but the payout in fun or ISK or whatever is awesome. Because let's face it. What do EVE players want?

It sure isn't a legendary sword found on the supermobboss that spawns once a week for you to farm. It most certainly isn't a rare-drop sabretooth tiger mount that you can show off to your guildie buddies for E-Peen and a couple hundred gold coins in the pocket. To an EVE player, a hardcore EVE player, that is pathetic. not even worth discussing on the radar. We don't want a goddamned chibi diablo vanity pet.

Real EVE players want to command ships that dwarf modern warships. Real EVE players want to set up infrastructure arrays that lead to one station and then dozens cranking out fleets of warships. Real EVE players want to then take those warships out into space and kill each other with them and fight for real, tangible (within the context of the game) measurable gains. Not just battle in static battlegrounds to get epix gearz by grinding faction points for months in a manner that has no affect and meaning on the game at large.

When it boils down to basics EVE players, and the pure carebears who don't brave the depths of null ore low for ANY reason don't count in this statement. I am no longer one of the Highsec only people. It's obnoxiously boring if that's all you do.

Real EVE players are going to start a war. Because that's what EVE is ultimately. EVE is a big war that ranges from hot to cold, and includes everything from one on one combat to market manipulation to psychological warfare perpetrated within the game.

No other game has that, and most MMO players don't have the patience to do more than quickly spam four hotkeys to launch their most potent attacks.

Oh and the Highsecers who refuse to set foot into low and null have fallen victim to the psychological warfare that has been going on for YEARS in low and null. If you are convinced you can't win you've become simply one more sheep for the wolves to pick off. Giving the mining barges a bigger tank and more EHP isn't going to save them if they won't fit a tank. If they won't pay attention. Chronic Highsec can't win because they gave up fighting before they started fighting.

I give it six months, tops, until some enterprising maniac figures out a way to start making highsec exhumers explode again with frightening consistency. It's one of the fascinating things about EVE players. in normal MMOs you apply a certain tactic vigorously until it works. EVE gankers will find a way. they always have.

EVE is a game for grownups.

No WoW doesn't do that because they are smart. Hence why they have had millions of customers across multiple games, and Blizzard is considered one of the top development companies. Though the rest of your comment is mostly true.

Lol... Is what I play to wind down from Eve... It's an Easy Pvp Game, good laugh and bit of fun.

It's because eve is incredibly boring to watch and play. The only thing that saves it is being with a corp on TS3 and cracking jokes on each other. Also peek time has 40k plus peeps but everybody has atleast another alt online some people have 3-4 online and maybe more for logistics issues.