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Covert Ops Cloaking Device II - How long are you visible?
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Clystan
Binaerie Heavy Industries
#1 - 2012-10-04 23:56:29 UTC
If I jump through a gate and I am still in the gate cloak period - I typically just click on my next gate and then hit "D" wait about 1/2 a second and then hit "F1" to cloak.

On my screen, I see my ship come out of gate cloak start to move and then disappear/cloak almost immediately. The ship gets up to speed quickly and then I warp.

I had a friend sit at a gate and time how long I was visible on their general tab. It seems like I am visible for about 6-7 seconds when I do this.

Am I doing this wrong or should I be worried?

I was trying to use align, the MWD and cloak combined but that doesn't seem necessary and blows the sig up.

Can someone tell met he best way to minimize the amount of time someone has to target lock a viator with cloak?

Thanks!
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#2 - 2012-10-04 23:58:41 UTC
Clystan
Binaerie Heavy Industries
#3 - 2012-10-05 00:07:12 UTC
I was using that but it seemed to make me visible longer. Especially if waiting until the speed was up to about 3/4 to hit the cloak. I do get the benefit of moving away from a specific spot quickly.

I have been practicing in high/low sec but it's only a matter of time until I run into a camp which is a different game.

Thanks for the link.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-10-05 00:14:25 UTC
Clystan wrote:
I was using that but it seemed to make me visible longer. Especially if waiting until the speed was up to about 3/4 to hit the cloak. I do get the benefit of moving away from a specific spot quickly.

I have been practicing in high/low sec but it's only a matter of time until I run into a camp which is a different game.

Thanks for the link.



I've flown hundreds of jumps through lowsec with a blockade runner. Plenty of gatecamps. I always just click warp, cloak and I'm gone.

The only times I've ever done differently is if I land within 2000m of something. Then I hit align mwd cloak, then warp.

And you are visible for maybe a couple of seconds. And even if visible I generally cannot target anyhow. (When I have tested dual boxing.)
Clystan
Binaerie Heavy Industries
#5 - 2012-10-05 00:21:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Clystan
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Clystan wrote:
I was using that but it seemed to make me visible longer. Especially if waiting until the speed was up to about 3/4 to hit the cloak. I do get the benefit of moving away from a specific spot quickly.

I have been practicing in high/low sec but it's only a matter of time until I run into a camp which is a different game.

Thanks for the link.



I've flown hundreds of jumps through lowsec with a blockade runner. Plenty of gatecamps. I always just click warp, cloak and I'm gone.

The only times I've ever done differently is if I land within 2000m of something. Then I hit align mwd cloak, then warp.

And you are visible for maybe a couple of seconds. And even if visible I generally cannot target anyhow. (When I have tested dual boxing.)


See - this is what I read from someone else and have been doing. It works slick as goose-****. It wasn't until I had a friend watch general for me just to double-check that I realized how long I was there.

PS: Sounds like you tried to target yourself even when "visible" and it was tough. That's a good thing!
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-10-05 00:28:14 UTC
Clystan wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Clystan wrote:
I was using that but it seemed to make me visible longer. Especially if waiting until the speed was up to about 3/4 to hit the cloak. I do get the benefit of moving away from a specific spot quickly.

I have been practicing in high/low sec but it's only a matter of time until I run into a camp which is a different game.

Thanks for the link.



I've flown hundreds of jumps through lowsec with a blockade runner. Plenty of gatecamps. I always just click warp, cloak and I'm gone.

The only times I've ever done differently is if I land within 2000m of something. Then I hit align mwd cloak, then warp.

And you are visible for maybe a couple of seconds. And even if visible I generally cannot target anyhow. (When I have tested dual boxing.)


See - this is what I read from someone else and have been doing. It works slick as goose-****. It wasn't until I had a friend watch general for me just to double-check that I realized how long I was there.

PS: Sounds like you tried to target yourself even when "visible" and it was tough. That's a good thing!


Yes.

I guess it is possible, but I have tried to target my cloaky hauler using a sebo'd Taranis. And I had the advantage of knowing exactly when the cloaky was gonna start movingBig smile
Gerrick Palivorn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-10-05 00:45:13 UTC
The particular way that cloaks operate is that you will be visible for several seconds on the overview but you will not be able to be targeted if you do it correctly, because of the way that your client pings the server. The average time is about 3-4 seconds, longer if you have a slower connection or computer lag.

I will reiterate, you will be visible but nontargetable on the overview. If you do it wrong however, you will be ammo bait before you know it.

MMOs come and go, but Eve remains.  -Garresh-
Clystan
Binaerie Heavy Industries
#8 - 2012-10-05 05:36:00 UTC
Gerrick Palivorn wrote:


I will reiterate, you will be visible but nontargetable on the overview. If you do it wrong however, you will be ammo bait before you know it.


Ok - so in your opinion - is "doing it wrong" just hitting "D" to warp out?


Clystan
Binaerie Heavy Industries
#9 - 2012-10-05 05:37:08 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
[quote=Clystan][quote=Derath Ellecon][quote=Clystan]I was using that but it seemed to make me visible longer. Especially if waiting until the speed was up to about 3/4 to hit the cloak. I do get the benefit of moving away from a specific spot quickly.


Thanks alot. I put a lot of value on input from someone who has flown the viator a bunch.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-10-05 05:42:44 UTC
Clystan wrote:
Gerrick Palivorn wrote:


I will reiterate, you will be visible but nontargetable on the overview. If you do it wrong however, you will be ammo bait before you know it.


Ok - so in your opinion - is "doing it wrong" just hitting "D" to warp out?




A lot of things can go wrong by that method. Ever heard of a delay bubble?
Clystan
Binaerie Heavy Industries
#11 - 2012-10-05 05:58:41 UTC
Onictus wrote:
Clystan wrote:
Gerrick Palivorn wrote:


I will reiterate, you will be visible but nontargetable on the overview. If you do it wrong however, you will be ammo bait before you know it.


Ok - so in your opinion - is "doing it wrong" just hitting "D" to warp out?




A lot of things can go wrong by that method. Ever heard of a delay bubble?


No but I just looked it up! I really appreciate the input. I haven't flown much into high risk space and I want to make sure I have an idea of how to fly blockade runners correctly. It know it seems simple once you get it down and there is a ton of info out there but there are also differing opinions!
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-10-05 06:08:19 UTC
Even if visible for a bit, as soon as you hit cloak you are unlockable so it doesnt really matter.
The disappearing delay is there to give people a chance to decloak you.

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Robert Lefcourt
BigPoppaMonkeys
E.B.O.L.A.
#13 - 2012-10-05 06:57:10 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
[quote=Clystan]I
The only times I've ever done differently is if I land within 2000m of something. Then I hit align mwd cloak, then warp.


Actually, you can hit align, cloak, and then mwd - if you do it fast enough. You'll have a full cloaked cycle mwd.


regards,

rob
Gerrick Palivorn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-10-05 09:27:46 UTC
Clystan wrote:
Gerrick Palivorn wrote:


I will reiterate, you will be visible but nontargetable on the overview. If you do it wrong however, you will be ammo bait before you know it.


Ok - so in your opinion - is "doing it wrong" just hitting "D" to warp out?





Honestly my personal approach to running gatecamps both in low and null sec is chose a direction not in line with the gate and a celestial. Double clicking to move in that direction, F1 (Cloak) F2 (MWD/AB) wait for my LZ to be clear and then do whatever I like. Typically I'll move out of anybubbles in an odd direction and then once clear warp to a random celestial that is within scan range or if I have it a safe.

To this date I have never been caught on a gatecamp, and I use this method everytime. I know that I am visible to the enemy for a short period of time, but I have never had an issue with this and ships being able to lock me. There is the tactic of placing cans around the gate to decloak you but this is more luck than anything else.

I don't use hotkeys for direction change, I didn't even know "D" was warp out; clicky click is old fashioned I guess.

Make sure your ship has decent acceleration as it's important to get off the LZ before any fast tackle can decloak you.

MMOs come and go, but Eve remains.  -Garresh-
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-10-05 12:20:02 UTC
The break-gate-cloak/engage-covops-cloak rhythm will work 99 percent of the time.

If you've got tacklers with heavily boosted sensor resolution, though, and the timing works out exactly wrong, they can and will grab you. In which case, you'll be in a pod in less than five seconds.

If the camp's got a Loki, you're in real trouble.

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-10-05 17:28:18 UTC
Clystan wrote:
Onictus wrote:
Clystan wrote:
Gerrick Palivorn wrote:


I will reiterate, you will be visible but nontargetable on the overview. If you do it wrong however, you will be ammo bait before you know it.


Ok - so in your opinion - is "doing it wrong" just hitting "D" to warp out?




A lot of things can go wrong by that method. Ever heard of a delay bubble?


No but I just looked it up! I really appreciate the input. I haven't flown much into high risk space and I want to make sure I have an idea of how to fly blockade runners correctly. It know it seems simple once you get it down and there is a ton of info out there but there are also differing opinions!



The smart way is to align...cloak+mwd.....warp.

That way if you get bubbled or snap pointed you don't stop.

Works with prototype cloaks as well.