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how to avoid getting locked in lvl 4 missions due to scramble / dampening
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Revara Ormand
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-09-28 08:53:53 UTC
hi guys / girls.

I m trying to solo lvl 4 missions. I tried in a Megatrhon without succes cause I got damped and scrambled so I could not shoot my guns or appoint the best targets for my drones.

I trying a different approach now: I fitted a Dominix and am greatly improving my drones skills.

In the missions they start to damp me from about 50 / 60 km out. I can start to lock them at -70km. This means i get damped very fast and have to wait untill my drones automatically target and destroy the tacklers.

Any advise how to deal with this?

Let my drones get the agro and accept some losses to be able to keep locking targets?
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-09-28 09:25:29 UTC
well, the obvious solution would be to increase your lock range and snipe everything from >70km.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Revara Ormand
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-09-28 09:27:31 UTC
what skill do i need for that?
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#4 - 2012-09-28 09:38:56 UTC
The skill is unintuitively named "Long Range Targeting".

You can also fit a Sensor Booster and load it with a Targeting Range script.

In any case you should normally have enough locking range on a battleship to lock those scramming frigates orbiting you.

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Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#5 - 2012-09-28 11:23:00 UTC
O those pesky guristas and serpents, ive had good results with sensor boosters, but since i fly missle boats FoF missles!!!
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-09-28 11:28:21 UTC
If you're up against sensor range dampers, in addition to the Sensor Booster, you can fit a Signal Amplifier in a low slot if you're comfortable sacrificing one of those slots. The SigAmp can't be scripted like a Sensor Booster, but it's fully passive; it's always "on", and doesn't need to be activated (or to consume cap energy) to give its bonuses to targeting range and signal resolution. Also, SigAmps allow ships to lock extra targets; a T2 SigAmp will give you two extra target locks, boosting the Megathron's or Dominix's count to nine (assuming you've got Multitasking II or better).

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Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-09-28 14:41:09 UTC
Signal Booster, Signal Booster+script in mids.
Signal Amplifiers in low slots.
How many of each is up to you.

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Revara Ormand
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-09-28 14:46:26 UTC
if i would add sensor booster / amplifiers i would loose a big deal of my tanking ability so better train some longe range targeting
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#9 - 2012-09-28 15:26:05 UTC
Revara Ormand wrote:
if i would add sensor booster / amplifiers i would loose a big deal of my tanking ability so better train some longe range targeting


Honestly it won't help that much.

There's really only one mission with debilitating damping and that's Serpentis Blockade. For now, new waves won't agro your drones, so that one is taken care of.

In general, there's another class of module that will help you deal with damps: prop mods. If you get close enough yourself there's no issue. It's certainly what I prefer over loading up with sebos (unless I'm running some lolNaga fit....)
Arrs Grazznic
Poena Executive Solutions
#10 - 2012-09-28 16:26:55 UTC
Revara Ormand wrote:
how to avoid getting locked in lvl 4 missions due to scramble / dampening?

Identify those ships that will ewar you and pop them before they get close enough. Otherwise, what everyone else has said!
Smark Shardani
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-09-30 06:54:17 UTC
Set drones to aggressive. Problem solved.
Travis117
Valkyrie Consortium
No Visual.
#12 - 2012-09-30 07:41:42 UTC
Revara Ormand wrote:
hi guys / girls.

I m trying to solo lvl 4 missions. I tried in a Megatrhon without succes cause I got damped and scrambled so I could not shoot my guns or appoint the best targets for my drones.

I trying a different approach now: I fitted a Dominix and am greatly improving my drones skills.

In the missions they start to damp me from about 50 / 60 km out. I can start to lock them at -70km. This means i get damped very fast and have to wait untill my drones automatically target and destroy the tacklers.

Any advise how to deal with this?

Let my drones get the agro and accept some losses to be able to keep locking targets?


Simple, shoot the damp/ scram frigs first tell me how that works for you
Revara Ormand
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-10-01 10:52:17 UTC
Travis117 wrote:
Revara Ormand wrote:
hi guys / girls.

I m trying to solo lvl 4 missions. I tried in a Megatrhon without succes cause I got damped and scrambled so I could not shoot my guns or appoint the best targets for my drones.

I trying a different approach now: I fitted a Dominix and am greatly improving my drones skills.

In the missions they start to damp me from about 50 / 60 km out. I can start to lock them at -70km. This means i get damped very fast and have to wait untill my drones automatically target and destroy the tacklers.

Any advise how to deal with this?

Let my drones get the agro and accept some losses to be able to keep locking targets?


Simple, shoot the damp/ scram frigs first tell me how that works for you


that part I allready figured out off course

the thing is that they get into scramble range to fast due to target range of the Dominix
Chimpy B
The Philosophy Of Two
#14 - 2012-10-01 11:27:34 UTC
There are usually only a couple of warp scrambling frigs in L4 missions, get your light drones out and take out the little frigs first (on aggressive, so that they continue to work if you get jammed) so at least you can warp away if things go wrong.

Once the frigs are out of the way, change to your bigger drones and get the rest.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#15 - 2012-10-01 16:32:49 UTC
Smark Shardani wrote:
Set drones to aggressive. Problem solved.


Until the winter release, at which point light, medium, and heavy drones are no longer an available weapons platform to combat dampening or jamming EWAR. And since Sentries can't fit frigs orbiting in small tight circles, you and all other mission runners are pretty much screwed.
Gronn
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-10-02 16:40:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Gronn
Does anyone use ECCM? I rarely get jammed by anything.

Sorry, I was thinking jamming not signal disruption.... My bad...
Backfyre
Hohmann Transfer
#17 - 2012-10-03 12:55:50 UTC
First, know the mission - http://www.eve-survival.com

For gurista, I will fit a ECCM on my battleships or use the corresponding subsystem on my T3. Rarely get jammed.

For serpentis, you can fit a booster. I do not though. It does get tough when you have 6 dampeners on you. When you can get a lock, take out the dampening ships first and use your drones. Make sure your tank can take a beating since it takes longer to pop the rats.

Having drones on "aggressive" helps. Just watch their aggro. Also, make sure you match drone type with the rats.

Back to point 1 - know your mission, fit appropriate modules/drones, know the triggers and shoot the scramblers first (except when they are the triggers...)
Warde Guildencrantz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-10-03 13:00:19 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
well, the obvious solution would be to increase your lock range and snipe everything from >70km.


the obvious solution would be to not use a mega in PvE and use a domi

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Kusum Fawn
Perkone
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-10-03 16:00:30 UTC
know your missions.
have a fit ship or ship fit, for different situations.

domi and mega are good ships, domi better then mega.

bump your drone skills to really make it shine, and fit 350 rails to complete the loadout.

Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
Kortanil
Virtual Space Exploration
#20 - 2012-10-04 08:02:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Kortanil
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Revara Ormand wrote:
if i would add sensor booster / amplifiers i would loose a big deal of my tanking ability so better train some longe range targeting


Honestly it won't help that much.

There's really only one mission with debilitating damping and that's Serpentis Blockade. For now, new waves won't agro your drones, so that one is taken care of.

In general, there's another class of module that will help you deal with damps: prop mods. If you get close enough yourself there's no issue. It's certainly what I prefer over loading up with sebos (unless I'm running some lolNaga fit....)


Actually it does help, I fly a proteus and I use a fit that can get me through any mission without any sweat. The ship has to be on the move all the time, picking up the right targets one by one and always making sure it never gets surrounded.