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Dec Shield - End of the Second Era

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VegasMirage
Blank-Space
Northern Coalition.
#101 - 2012-10-03 10:50:39 UTC
The Zerg Overmind wrote:
Well here's another unintended consequence of the broken rules.

1.) A corp offers a surrender to us for 70mil isk
2.) I drop a corp out of Dec Shield
3.) Accept their surrender to the alliance, get the 70mil isk
4.) Accept dropped corp back into alliance, resume war

Surrender mechanics are also made pointless by the current ruleset, but thanks for the isk \o/


Brofessor Zerg,

You've done it again - thunked outside the sandbox.

Keep up the great werk!!! CCP should pay you for your time.

Is it possible NOT to share these broken mechanics?

I may be willing to pay you to NOT post what's broken in the future.

Incoming convo in-game...

ALL HAIL ZERG \o/

PS: perhaps NOT posting the broken mechanics will make more players happy (this is my role btw to make as many of you happy as possible)

no more games... it's real this time!!!
Reppyk
The Black Shell
#102 - 2012-10-03 11:41:41 UTC
VegasMirage wrote:
I may be willing to pay you to NOT post what's broken in the future.
Hey Vegas, do you have any idea why ZO is doing this ?
Protip : it's written somewhere.
Protip² : you don't get it.

I AM SPACE CAPTAIN REPPYK. BEWARE.

Proud co-admin of frugu.net, a French fansite about EVE !
VegasMirage
Blank-Space
Northern Coalition.
#103 - 2012-10-03 13:18:52 UTC
Reppyk wrote:
VegasMirage wrote:
I may be willing to pay you to NOT post what's broken in the future.
Hey Vegas, do you have any idea why ZO is doing this ?
Protip : it's written somewhere.
Protip² : you don't get it.


ZOMG you win again Reppy so quick on his toes

obv you missed the part where I started the whole using Dec Shield to grief mercs/indy griefers

it's written somewhere, find it

no more games... it's real this time!!!
P'JITA ZOLO
End of Cycle
#104 - 2012-10-03 19:47:23 UTC
I am convinced...

YES


this is a...


BUMP!
Kc Decartes
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#105 - 2012-10-04 02:25:54 UTC
The Zerg Overmind wrote:
Emerald Decartes wrote:

Sff, cool story bro.

Maybe if you had something more productive to do with your time, instead of investing your time into this joke organization, which as far as I can tell employees tactics that only involve spam mailing people as a deterrent to a war dec... which is ofc ineffective... you'd be much more happy not only in eve, but no doubt in rl as well...

I for one enjoy the daily mails from "dec shield ambassador 1-5." It lets me know that you're still trying... very hard.

Thank you for allowing us to become involved in the plotted down fall of your lame idea, practice, and ofc existence.

Cya around and kind regards,

ED

Quoted for tears. umad bro?

I'm not sure what you mean by spam mails. I can only assume you're referring to all the notifications you get of your wars being copied and ended by various entities that pass in/out of the alliance. The ambassador corps have been a highly effective program at obtaining wars from alliances. Any notification you get about one of them means we obtained another few wars.

And if you hadn't noticed, we're trying to be taken out by CCP. We want wardecs fixed much more than you do, as we're actually investing isk, time, and energy towards solving the problem:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1969901

But you can still be mad, I know that feel bro


I call shenanigans on you good sir ^_^


http://i48.tinypic.com/125qt5k.jpg

After a year of this charade you are ether really stupid or just plan insane, assuming your statement is an accurate reflection of your intent... Regardless, we look forward to getting to know you.

Enderw Wiggin wrote:
Lulz....

"There must be some way out of here.... said the joker to the thief."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1__dINxiXU


Cool song...

"There are many here among us, that feel that life is but a joke"

;-)

KcD
DFCS

D.F.C.S.
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
#106 - 2012-10-04 05:13:14 UTC
Kc Decartes wrote:

I call shenanigans on you good sir ^_^


http://i48.tinypic.com/125qt5k.jpg

After a year of this charade you are ether really stupid or just plan insane, assuming your statement is an accurate reflection of your intent... Regardless, we look forward to getting to know you.

I'm not sure what charade you're referring to. Your picture shows that Dec Shield has been around for a while, which is true. Our first iteration was in protest against the GM ruling to overturn the ban on alliance wardec shedding, so that's what we did. And we did a LOT of it, for over 450 corporations:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=22792

our alliance logo and message were directly aimed at provoking a response from CCP to change the rules to stop us:
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1111/DecShield.jpg

We did massive protesting and constructive feedback to institute wardec mechanic changes, and we talked quite regularily with the community at the time, which is why everyone knew our intentions and goals:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=29894


After the expansion that changed wardecs we lay dormant under the assumption that CCP had actually fixed wardecs. We were wrong. A few weeks ago we began investigating again after hearing rumors, and that's when we decided to fire up Dec Shield again to provoke a change in wardec mechanics. So far we're getting a lot of publicity and spreading the message quite effectively.

We have a very thorough list of things currently wrong with wardecs, and the ways to fix things here:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=157449

So it's kind of hard to claim we aren't working to fix things. The added bonus is we get to grief people along the way, and it's all for a good cause. There will be tears until we are stopped

Burn Highsec Griefers
Dirk Decartes
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#107 - 2012-10-04 07:00:08 UTC
The Zerg Overmind wrote:
Kc Decartes wrote:

I call shenanigans on you good sir ^_^


http://i48.tinypic.com/125qt5k.jpg

After a year of this charade you are ether really stupid or just plan insane, assuming your statement is an accurate reflection of your intent... Regardless, we look forward to getting to know you.

I'm not sure what charade you're referring to. Your picture shows that Dec Shield has been around for a while, which is true. Our first iteration was in protest against the GM ruling to overturn the ban on alliance wardec shedding, so that's what we did. And we did a LOT of it, for over 450 corporations:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=22792

our alliance logo and message were directly aimed at provoking a response from CCP to change the rules to stop us:
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1111/DecShield.jpg

We did massive protesting and constrUctive feeDback to Institute wardEc mechanic changes, and we talked quite regularily with the community at the time, which is why everyone knew our intentions and goals:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=29894


After the expansion that changed wardecs we lay dormant under the assumption that CCP had actually fixed wardecs. We were wrong. A few weeks ago we began investigating again after hearing rumors, and that's when we decided to fire up Dec Shield again to provoke a change in wardec mechanics. So far we're getting a lot of publicity and spreading the message quite effectively.

We have a very thorough list of things currently wrong with wardecs, and the ways to fix things here:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=157449

So it's kind of hard to claim we aren't working to fix things. The added bonus is we get to grief people along the way, and it's all for a good cause. There will be tears until we are stopped


"Cool Story Bro"
Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#108 - 2012-10-04 07:18:35 UTC
The Zerg Overmind, bringer of free targets, new loot and more pvp....... We want you as Alliance CEO! Twisted

DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !

Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
#109 - 2012-10-04 08:05:15 UTC
Tora Bushido wrote:
The Zerg Overmind, bringer of free targets, new loot and more pvp....... We want you as Alliance CEO! Twisted

Thank you, thank you. On behalf of myself I accept this grave responsibility. Of course, if at any time you want to make a corp specifically for griefing our targets you're welcome to join this side of the war. Everyone is welcome on this side of the fence. Our targets are generally terrible players and the wars are free. Join the dark side.

Burn Highsec Griefers
Zeus Maximo
Mentally Assured Destruction
#110 - 2012-10-04 17:56:25 UTC
On behalf of U-MAD I would like to thank Dec shield once again for the free wars!

and this kill:

Mean War Griefer

Twisted

"It is not possible either to trick or escape the mind of Zeus."

U-MAD Membership Recruitment

PoH Corporation Recruitment
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
#111 - 2012-10-04 21:51:18 UTC  |  Edited by: The Zerg Overmind
I just ran up some stats in prep for Vegas tomorrow.

We are in 94 wars.
These wars contain 2336 players,
with 187 corporations.
11 of these are legacy wars against closed corporations
We receive around 3 surrender offers per day
We average 3.5 new wars per day

Burn Highsec Griefers
Gaia Ma'chello
Photosynth
#112 - 2012-10-05 17:57:46 UTC
OK, Im really missing something. How is any player in the aggressor corp trapped? Cannot everyone in the aggressor corp simply drop corp and form a new one, thus nullifying all the effects of Dec Shield?
Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis
#113 - 2012-10-06 00:45:24 UTC
Gaia Ma'chello wrote:
OK, Im really missing something. How is any player in the aggressor corp trapped? Cannot everyone in the aggressor corp simply drop corp and form a new one, thus nullifying all the effects of Dec Shield?

Well yeah, but that's like the most hilariously shameful thing you can possibly do as someone who considers themselves any kind of competent. Plus a lot of the trapped entities are alliances, which makes it not nearly so simple.

Lobbying for your right to delete your signature
Kc Decartes
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#114 - 2012-10-06 03:17:24 UTC
The Zerg Overmind wrote:
Kc Decartes wrote:

I call shenanigans on you good sir ^_^


http://i48.tinypic.com/125qt5k.jpg

After a year of this charade you are ether really stupid or just plan insane, assuming your statement is an accurate reflection of your intent... Regardless, we look forward to getting to know you.

I'm not sure what charade you're referring to. Your picture shows that Dec Shield has been around for a while, which is true. Our first iteration was in protest against the GM ruling to overturn the ban on alliance wardec shedding, so that's what we did. And we did a LOT of it, for over 450 corporations:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=22792

our alliance logo and message were directly aimed at provoking a response from CCP to change the rules to stop us:
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1111/DecShield.jpg

We did massive protesting and constructive feedback to institute wardec mechanic changes, and we talked quite regularily with the community at the time, which is why everyone knew our intentions and goals:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=29894


After the expansion that changed wardecs we lay dormant under the assumption that CCP had actually fixed wardecs. We were wrong. A few weeks ago we began investigating again after hearing rumors, and that's when we decided to fire up Dec Shield again to provoke a change in wardec mechanics. So far we're getting a lot of publicity and spreading the message quite effectively.

We have a very thorough list of things currently wrong with wardecs, and the ways to fix things here:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=157449

So it's kind of hard to claim we aren't working to fix things. The added bonus is we get to grief people along the way, and it's all for a good cause. There will be tears until we are stopped


Well then, I'd have to say you're insane. The repetitive motions you are currently engaged in will have no different outcome, no matter how many times you repeat the routine. Your expectation of otherwise is by definition insane. It would seem that you have become the goal or epitome of of what you sought with regards to an attempted deconstruction of the protocol, in game dynamics.

I am glad, and I express gratitude for what you have done. In your own inability to grasp an in-game policy you have made it possible for my rag-tag group to indulgent in our darker sides, justified only by your infatuation with debunking a system.

Keep up the good work.

;-)

-KcD

D.F.C.S.
Enderw Wiggin
Syndicate Holdings
#115 - 2012-10-06 06:43:33 UTC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qItugh-fFgg

"All your base r belong 2 us"

^_^

D.F.C.S.
Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis
#116 - 2012-10-06 07:08:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Iam Widdershins
Kc Decartes wrote:

Well then, I'd have to say you're insane. The repetitive motions you are currently engaged in will have no different outcome, no matter how many times you repeat the routine. Your expectation of otherwise is by definition insane. It would seem that you have become the goal or epitome of of what you sought with regards to an attempted deconstruction of the protocol, in game dynamics.

I am glad, and I express gratitude for what you have done. In your own inability to grasp an in-game policy you have made it possible for my rag-tag group to indulgent in our darker sides, justified only by your infatuation with debunking a system.

Keep up the good work.

;-)

-KcD


That's a lot of big words coming from a child who's so obviously mad. Why are you so distraught?

Lobbying for your right to delete your signature
Dirk Decartes
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#117 - 2012-10-06 07:33:05 UTC
Iam Widdershins wrote:
Kc Decartes wrote:
[quote=The Zerg Overmind]
Well then, I'd have to say you're insane. The repetitive motions you are currently engaged in will have no different outcome, no matter how many times you repeat the routine. Your expectation of otherwise is by definition insane. It would seem that you have become the goal or epitome of of what you sought with regards to an attempted deconstruction of the protocol, in game dynamics.

I am glad, and I express gratitude for what you have done. In your own inability to grasp an in-game policy you have made it possible for my rag-tag group to indulgent in our darker sides, justified only by your infatuation with debunking a system.

Keep up the good work.

;-)

-KcD


That's a lot of big words coming from a child who's so obviously mad. Why are you so distraught?


"cool story bro"
Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#118 - 2012-10-06 11:15:25 UTC
So far I am really enjoying this dec shield thing. It gives us free new targets to shoot at (including loot , tears, etc) and it doesn't costs us anything. We even make money with it, by sending surrender mails to people who have a mutual war with us. If they pay, we wont dec em for weeks after they drop the mutual war. If they don't pay, we 'll destroy their corp till its dead.

I think this is the most fun I had since the Jita Burn thing from Goons Twisted

Only annoying thing is, that you can have a lot of mutual wars with dead corps and that there can always join a bigger fish in Dec Shield. But then again.....they will be at war with all of the others. And we are working closely together with many more pvp corps who are 'trapped' Blink

So far..... Dec Shield <3

DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !

Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.
VegasMirage
Blank-Space
Northern Coalition.
#119 - 2012-10-06 12:50:02 UTC
Tora Bushido wrote:
So far I am really enjoying this dec shield thing. It gives us free new targets to shoot at (including loot , tears, etc) and it doesn't costs us anything. We even make money with it, by sending surrender mails to people who have a mutual war with us. If they pay, we wont dec em for weeks after they drop the mutual war. If they don't pay, we 'll destroy their corp till its dead.

I think this is the most fun I had since the Jita Burn thing from Goons Twisted

Only annoying thing is, that you can have a lot of mutual wars with dead corps and that there can always join a bigger fish in Dec Shield. But then again.....they will be at war with all of the others. And we are working closely together with many more pvp corps who are 'trapped' Blink

So far..... Dec Shield <3


ughhh... only if I had the energy.

I don't even...

no more games... it's real this time!!!
Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#120 - 2012-10-06 13:15:49 UTC
Fully supported. :)

+1