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Convo request spamming - why isn't this an exploit?

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Ohanka
#21 - 2012-10-03 21:39:45 UTC

Its not an exploit because you can A) ignore all invites and B) Block people.

Furthermore, you sir are an intellectual lightweight.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2012-10-03 21:42:30 UTC
RTFT. I specifically said in the first post that auto rejecting the invites doesn't work, your client has to receive the invite to reject it anyway and so you're still lagged out.

I guess this makes you the intellectual lightweight.

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Ohanka
#23 - 2012-10-03 21:44:13 UTC
I read your title and not your post. I did not consider it to be of the intellectual calibre required for a person of my intellectual superiority and genius to reply to.

Good day to you sir.

(I shall now read your OP)

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2012-10-03 21:44:59 UTC
Ohanka wrote:
I read your title and not your post. I did not consider it to be of the intellectual calibre required for a person of my intellectual superiority and genius to reply to.

Good day to you sir.

(I shall now read your OP)


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Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#25 - 2012-10-03 21:57:55 UTC
Kalen Vox wrote:
I cannot imagine why people are popping up even to defend this, which, in my opinion is clearly an exploit.


Jetting a single can is not an exploit. A whole fleet jetting hundreds of cans to cause grid loading lag is. This we know.

Starting a single convo is not an exploit. A whole fleet starting hundreds of convos to cause lag is.


Simple.


So dropping 1,000 ships onto a gate is........

Half of Deklein was won because of lag. Intentional or otherwise.

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Ohanka
#26 - 2012-10-03 21:58:21 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
Kalen Vox wrote:
I cannot imagine why people are popping up even to defend this, which, in my opinion is clearly an exploit.


Jetting a single can is not an exploit. A whole fleet jetting hundreds of cans to cause grid loading lag is. This we know.

Starting a single convo is not an exploit. A whole fleet starting hundreds of convos to cause lag is.


Simple.


So dropping 1,000 ships onto a gate is........

Half of Deklein was won because of lag. Intentional or otherwise.


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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#27 - 2012-10-03 21:59:53 UTC
Intentions are the exploit, not mechanics.

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ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers
#28 - 2012-10-03 22:00:26 UTC
just a different form of E-war??? :-P
Ohanka
#29 - 2012-10-03 22:07:57 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Ohanka wrote:
I read your title and not your post. I did not consider it to be of the intellectual calibre required for a person of my intellectual superiority and genius to reply to.

Good day to you sir.

(I shall now read your OP)


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Yes. Unfortunately, although the answer was indeed clear, simple and straightforward, there is some difficulty in justifiably assigning to it the fourth of the epithets you applied to the statement inasmuch as the precise correlation between the information you communicated and the facts insofar as they can be determined and demonstrated is such as to cause epistemological problems of sufficient magnitude as to lay upon the logical and semantic resources of the English language a heavier burden than they can reasonably be expected to bear.

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Nostradamouse Riraille
S.M.U.G.G.L.E.
#30 - 2012-10-03 22:12:23 UTC
Set CSPA charge to 1 mill.


Be FC, Laugh...
Evei Shard
Shard Industries
#31 - 2012-10-03 22:29:10 UTC
Nostradamouse Riraille wrote:
Set CSPA charge to 1 mill.


Be FC, Laugh...


That might work, but it still depends on whether or not the targets client first receives notification of a convo request. If the client has to get the request before sending out the pre-defined fee, it would still end up producing the lag that the OP was referring to.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#32 - 2012-10-03 23:59:44 UTC
If this mechanic is fully proven to DDOS an opposing players client (I remember log-scrolling in DAoC being used to slow people down) then dear God why are people defending it?

Is the asshattery so bad in this game that anybody could defend it?


One more reason to eschew (finally, used that word) large fleets, the basement dwelling win-at-all-costs-because-my-life-sucks neckbeards' corporations, and their 0.0 space.


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Ifly Uwalk
Perkone
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-10-04 00:15:27 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
If this mechanic is fully proven to DDOS an opposing players client (I remember log-scrolling in DAoC being used to slow people down) then dear God why are people defending it?

Is the asshattery so bad in this game that anybody could defend it?


One more reason to eschew (finally, used that word) large fleets, the basement dwelling win-at-all-costs-because-my-life-sucks neckbeards' corporations, and their 0.0 space.



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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#34 - 2012-10-04 00:21:00 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
When riding into battle on my space steed I set it to automatically reject all convos. If you don't remember to do that you're asking to be spammed.

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The client still receives the request, blocking it just removes the GUI. So even with blocked your client could be affected.

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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2012-10-04 01:17:18 UTC
The specifics of what ~individual players~ convo'd who when don't matter. The intent and effect of this organised action do. It doesn't sound fair at all. How often does it happen?
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2012-10-04 01:24:48 UTC
Fairly often, although I can't say exactly, obviously.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#37 - 2012-10-04 01:47:07 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
When riding into battle on my space steed I set it to automatically reject all convos. If you don't remember to do that you're asking to be spammed.

Victory at any cost! Big smile

The client still receives the request, blocking it just removes the GUI. So even with blocked your client could be affected.

Ah.

So everytime you crash or something bad happens suddenly, you need to immediately petition because someone(s) might have tried to convo spam you? Hm, sounds interesting.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#38 - 2012-10-04 06:05:07 UTC
Jim Era wrote:
Ok, not an exploit.
Just a maneuver used by bad players who are unable to compete appropriately.

Therefore, whoever uses this technique is automatically the loser because how can you be taken seriously?


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Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#39 - 2012-10-04 06:42:40 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Jim Era wrote:
Ok, not an exploit.
Just a maneuver used by bad players who are unable to compete appropriately.

Therefore, whoever uses this technique is automatically the loser because how can you be taken seriously?


Nothing is appropriate in war, you do what you have to do to win.

So you're saying that Eve needs a Geneva Convention?

*Jovian Convention?

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2012-10-04 06:52:11 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
When riding into battle on my space steed I set it to automatically reject all convos. If you don't remember to do that you're asking to be spammed.

Victory at any cost! Big smile

The client still receives the request, blocking it just removes the GUI. So even with blocked your client could be affected.

Ah.

So everytime you crash or something bad happens suddenly, you need to immediately petition because someone(s) might have tried to convo spam you? Hm, sounds interesting.

You could, but that wouldn't get you anywhere because GMs could easily see that you weren't convo spammed.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)