Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The Vexor has a lower mass than the Thorax, ergo it gains more from a prop mod, ergo mass needs to be re-balanced as much as the rest of the stats. Unfortunately, ship mass seems to be one of those overlooked stats.

Essentially, the 20 m/s base speed advantage of the Thorax over the Vexor isn't enough to overcome the increase in speed that a Vexor gains from a MWD compared to a Thorax due to ship mass. This is also the reason why the Vexor will be roughly as fast as the Rupture post change.

I'd like to see Gallente ships have the lowest ship mass across the board, so that they are the fastest ships under the use of a prop mod, but don't accelerate or orbit as fast as say, the Minmatar. It would provide good synergy with Hybrid weapons without dethroning the Minmatar.

4 mids on the Moa is bad. It needs 5 minimum. I'd drop the utility high and put it in the mid slot. While some argue the high slot has value I'm of the opinion I'd rather have my utility in the mids and drop some dps if I want a neut ship.

I too want Caldari ships to go back to thier optimal range bonus. Including the Merlin. CCP seems intent on abandoning the optimal range bonus to overlap bonuses with Gallente for some reason. Gallente have always focused on damage bonuses for thier turret ships and Caldari focused on optimal range.

Also, I'm glad others are starting to notice the fact the Vexor seems really powerful. It's the only ship in the list that stands far apart from all other tech 1 cruisers. If you were focusing on the Rupture and didn't suggest the Vexor was silly overpowered I wrote you off.

The Vexor and the Rupture are the most viable tech 1 cruisers ingame NOW. If CCP was to listen to 1 poster here and do the Rifter treatment to tech 1 cruisers. Then the Vexor and Rupture would or should remain the same and others should be BOOSTED. However, then the attack cruisers would over shadow the Combat cruisers completely...

All the massive changes have been done to every other ship other than the Rupture. All it got was an extra mid and had it's velocity boosted with every other tech 1 cruiser.


Every other tech 1 cruiser either had a massive increase in damage or an extra slot or slots in both thier mids or low slots OR ALL OF THE ABOVE if you're the Vexor.

Nah, giving it 3 lows and 4 mids would make it too much tank and gank with the option for 2 Mags and a DCU. Choice needs to be made, 2 Mags or 1 Mag/1 DCU b/c with 6 turrets, the blaster fit would be way too much tank and gank for that combo.

giving it 2 lows with a 6/5/2 layout allows it to do decent rail damage/range and still solid blaster damage up to 501 with void/perfect skills... all the while giving it unique caldari bonuses and not just making it a shield thorax.


My choice is to do what the devs seem incapable of, make unique ships with actual choices rather than stale ships that all look identical on paper.

you didn't see the massive PG boost I gave the ship? and of course the rax does slightly more damage, but at much shittier optimals, hence, tradeoffs.

Drone Speeds

Valk II 3150m/s

Infiltrator II 2850m/s

Vespa II 2400m/s

Hammerhead II 2100m/s

Most of the cruisers on overheat, especially the attack cruisers are going to be able to outrun Hammerheads and probably Vespas as the medium sized drone weapon system do these speeds need adjusting in line with the new cruisers?

For starters what are these.

it would be 5% less dps than the thorax w/o drones.... i don't get your definition of terrible dps

...I can't even.

I literally cannot even BEGIN to fathom how utterly terrible this idea is. A cruiser? With TWO LOW SLOTS? WITH THE LOWEST DPS WEAPONS IN THE GAME?

ARE YOU HIGH? Please, give me a hit of whatever you're on so I can expand my mind to comprehend the nature of your "improvement" here.

The ONLY real option for slot shuffling for the Moa is 5/5/4. If you get rid of a lowslot you're going to make it far less capable when compared to the other three combat cruisers in terms of damage application, grid improving or mobility improvement (which the Moa will need ALOT if it wants to even think about fighting in close range).

All of you people are also getting rather sidetracked by thinking that the Moa is utterly banned from using Blasters despite both of these weapons being hybrid turrets. A 5/5/4 Moa has easily the most adaptability for fitting, meaning you can easily build a decent long range or short range cruiser.

Another possible but incredibly unlikely option.

By default, give the entirety of the Merlin, Cormorant, Moa, Ferox, Rokh line the benefit of, by default, having a 5% bonus to shield resistance per level built into the hull (meaning that by default they have the +25% resists). Then give them both a 10% optimal range to hybrid turrets per level of Caldari X, and a 5% damage bonus as well. This, in addition to the Moa having a 5/5/4 layout. You have a solid combat cruiser that adheres to Caldari design principles. Naturally strong shield tank, better application of damage at range, and, thanks to that damage bonus there, maybe they'll actually hurt when using railguns, who knows.

My moa already does 300 dps at 20km and has 30k ehp + hot resists. It would actually be really good if cruiser gangs were hip and its cap less bad.