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High Sec Pos for mining operations
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Nirrti Drey'Auc
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-09-25 14:34:56 UTC
Hello there, was wondering if i could set up a pos with a docking bay and refining facility in high sec. As i don't have any experience with pos I'm counting for your help in this matter. Let's say I've located a system with rich ore belts that has no station. Now I'd like to set up a pos that will allow me to dock, fit my ships and refine my ore in that system, can it be done and for what price?
Idris Helion
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-09-25 14:49:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Idris Helion
Nirrti Drey'Auc wrote:
Hello there, was wondering if i could set up a pos with a docking bay and refining facility in high sec. As i don't have any experience with pos I'm counting for your help in this matter. Let's say I've located a system with rich ore belts that has no station. Now I'd like to set up a pos that will allow me to dock, fit my ships and refine my ore in that system, can it be done and for what price?


You can't anchor refineries in hisec space.

You can set up a Corporate Hangar array and a Ship Maintenance Array, but you can't "dock" at these facilities like you can at a station. You can store and fit ships in the Ship Maintenance array and store your stuff in your Corporate Hangar array. I use mine to store ore because you get about 1,400,000 m3 of space in it, and then I freighter it to a station for refining.

If you're set on this approach, you'll probably want a medium tower rather than a small because you're probably going to want to set up research and manufacturing facilities at your POS as well. And it's not cheap to get started: a medium tower plus the various arrays plus fuel plus starbase charters will set you back about 1 billion ISK.

Plus, you'll need unmodified corporate standings with the sovereign of 10x the security of the space you want to anchor in. So for .5 security systems, you'll need corporate (not individual) standings of at least 5 with the faction who owns the space. For .6 systems, you need standings of at least 6.0, and so on. And hisec stations require starbase charters in addtion to fuel, and consume 1 charter per hour.

EDIT: For this setup to work, you absolutely have to have a freighter, because you can't refine the ore at your POS. And moving 1,000,000 m3 of ore to station in even a maxed-out indy would take hours. At current prices, a freighter will run you about 1.5 billion ISK. Hisec mining outposts are not for the poor folk!
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#3 - 2012-09-25 14:55:51 UTC
Yo do not want to refine in a POS. Best refining array is hard capped at 75%.

Setting up a temp POS for mining ops is often a good idea though if you are more than 1-2 jumps from a system with a station.

You will need corp standings with the local faction of at least 5.0 to set up a POS in 0.5 sec space. 0.6 sec requires 6.0 standings, and 0.7 sec requires 7.0 standings. you can not anchor a POS in high sec higher than 0.7 sec space.

Unless you are planing on mining the same system for a long time I recommend a small POS with corp hanger, SMA, and the biggest assembly array you can fit. (assembly arrays make great storage warehouses). You will need a freighter to haul ore from your POS to the nearest station you can refine at 100% at. With good skills you only need a 40% refinery although high sec is full of stations with 50% refineries. I say again POS refining arrays are not an option. no matter what your skills you can not get more than 75%. 25% waste is unacceptable in high sec. Some deep deep null corps, or W-space corps use POS refining arrays but most just build a Roqual and compress the ore for shipment.

A small POS makes your operation very portable. You can take it down in minutes and put it back up in the next system,(provided you have standings). A permanent home is often worth a large but not needed in high sec. High sec POS bashing is very rare and a mining POS is anything but a loot pinata. Anchor defenses but do not online them unless you get a war dec. The size of the POS you use in high sec should depend on how much CPU/PG you will use. A large POS is just a waste if the modules you use will fit on a medium. A large costs twice the fuel as a medium and 4 times the fuel of a small.
Nirrti Drey'Auc
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-09-25 15:08:09 UTC
Alright then i think it's all I need to know, you've been a big help, thanks a lot :)
Celgar Thurn
Department 10
#5 - 2012-09-25 16:12:54 UTC
You have the cost of the POS fuel to take into consideration as well though which isn't cheap. I was considering setting up a mining POS at one point but decided against it based purely on that factor. If you have an Orca in fleet it's probably not as good but is cheaper.

Cost could be offset by having your research POS combined with your Mining POS. But if you are looking to set up in a system without a station then it will be known that your BPC's etc will be actually in the POS. A potential loot pinata that will increase the chance of a wardec or unsavoury characters taking an interest in your operation.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#6 - 2012-09-25 17:36:00 UTC
For what it is worth, I just dump ore at the nearest station, then come back for it later with a freighter.
Pipa Porto
#7 - 2012-09-25 17:45:39 UTC
Nirrti Drey'Auc wrote:
Hello there, was wondering if i could set up a pos with a docking bay and refining facility in high sec. As i don't have any experience with pos I'm counting for your help in this matter. Let's say I've located a system with rich ore belts that has no station. Now I'd like to set up a pos that will allow me to dock, fit my ships and refine my ore in that system, can it be done and for what price?


A Ship Maintenance Array and however many Large Ship Assembly Arrays as you feel will give you sufficient storage. Then swing by in a Freighter to collect and transport to your closest refining station.

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Richard C Hoagland
Anarchos Syndicate
#8 - 2012-09-30 19:34:20 UTC
Depending on how often you have corp mining ops in a particular system, you may not even need the tower running all the time. If you're careful about putting the tower offline when not in use (it takes around 15 minutes to put back online), then it doesn't even have to cost much, other than the capital to buy the tower, fuel, and any other structures. POS Fuel has hourly costs, so watching the clock is worth ISK in this case.

It is worth mentioning that a single Large Ship Assembly Array has a capacity of 18.5 million m3. If you can fill even one of them, then that's going to take a while to empty if you've got just one freighter.



Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#9 - 2012-10-02 22:08:42 UTC
Even using the POS as a depot probably isn't worth the cost unless you have a really big mining operation going or share it with several other players.

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Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#10 - 2012-10-02 23:50:11 UTC
It should be noted, you don't need to fuel it for the entire time, if all you're doing is using it for mining storage.

For a small POS, it's around 150k isk an hour. Just need to have it fueled to access the storage.

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Red lensman
BlackSky inc.
#11 - 2012-10-06 14:12:17 UTC
you do not want to use a corporation hangar for ore storage, use x-large ship assembly array as it stores a lot more