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New Minnie destroyer... o.O

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Krell Kroenen
The Devil's Shadow
#61 - 2012-10-02 21:16:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Krell Kroenen
Anabella Rella wrote:

Spartan doesn't go hand in hand with ugly. The Hurricane, Hound, new Tempest and new Stabber are sparse and definitely Minmatar yet, attractive designs. They have a flow to them where the flying tank doesn't. I think Roll Sizzle Beef hit the nail on the head when he mentioned the jarring lack of transition from the angled, almost stylized, solar panels on the front to the main body. It goes from spindly to BAM, this brick with yet another small brick stuck on the top. There's no flow and the profile just doesn't look like anything else in the Minmatar ship lineup. It strikes me more as related to the ORE barges than a Matari warship.

Oh well, it doesn't matter. CCP wants this design and this is what we'll end up with even though opinions in these forums are running about 5 to 1 against it.
Cry


You are correct, it doesn't really matter at the end of the day. In fact I can't recall if CCP's art department has ever asked for player feed back on a ship model. So none of us should be surprised that this model is going live.

Which is a good thing for those who like the brick and solar sail look I suppose. And it's a good lesson for the rest of us that when it comes to art assets, player feed back is not needed nor desired.
Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#62 - 2012-10-02 23:24:53 UTC
The problem with offering criticism to an artist is that art is subjective and they probably won't see its flaws. I 3D model as a hobby (not as much now as I used to) and I know a rushed model when I see one. Lots repetition in the geometry is a pretty dead give-away. The "solar panels" mirrored, the sausage link body just copied four times. I really doubt the art department is satisfied with the design themselves - I think they ran up against a deadline and were drawing blank on ideas.

And if they really are happy with it... eh... oh well. The battle's lost. Maybe in 5 years when it's remodelled they'll be more inspired.
Sarmatiko
#63 - 2012-10-03 02:34:24 UTC
Warde Guildencrantz wrote:
But none of those are nearly as ugly as the moa...so we getting a remodel of it? :P

Moa is beautiful. Probably most unique Caldari ship that left after Scorpion catastrophe err.. "redesign".
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#64 - 2012-10-03 04:24:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Mars Theran
CCP Huskarl wrote:
Hey

As the Art Director I just wanted to you give you a quick heads up on what thoughts went into designing the new destroyers. All of them are heavily influenced by historical military machinery and of course the ships functionality plays a big role in the design process as well.

Yes the design of the new Minmatar destroyer would probably not fall under the category of sleek, elegant and pretty anytime soon. And i will gladly admit that its sort of like a flying brick or a Russian WW2 tank with solar panels but that's exactly what we what we thought would make it an interesting and cool addition to the EVE universe and hopefully appealing to some good portion of the players. Plus the texture work on it is one of the best I've seen on a Minmatar ship yet.

Here are some interesting examples of strange (and not always pretty) but very functional military designs:

KV2


Horribly unpleasant looking, but if you consider it was made in a barn, not bad. Lol

Quote:
SuperHind


This is just weird. Kind of stupid actually, and the Engineer should probably.. scratch that, was probably shot, (for wasting money; either that, or he ended up in the Tower of London). I realize the design has a purpose, but I doubt he really thought that one through, and it probably doesn't work very well.

Guessing it was designed to deflect rocket propelled grenades of the front of the craft without detonating them. If they hit just right, it would probably work.

Quote:
BartiniBeriev


Actually a very intelligent design. I'm wondering if it has evolved somewhat since then, and is seeing use somewhere.

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Type45


Fake. Photoshop. This doesn't exist except as a concept, hasn't been built, and likely never will be. Too expensive and with limited purpose. Radar concealment isn't that effective when your hull is transferring the sound of your engines to the water and telling people 100s of miles away that you are there, if they are listening. Pointless and pointlessly expensive.

Yes, I'm a little opinionated. Roll


I'm sure the Destroyer will be something we will get used to or not, but that is how such things are. I've already accepted that it is the finished design, and it doesn't bother me really. Would have been nice to have a 'nice' new Minmatar Destroyer, but I suppose I'll settle for a new Minmatar destroyer. Who knows, might be cool. Smile

edit:

Realized those were the images you based the new designs off of. Actually, rather surprised you ended up with the Caldari Destroyer with that as an inspriational model. Pretty good all around, and it explains why I liked the Gallente design even in rough form.

The Hind isn't a bad ship, and conceptually speaking, whatever the Super Hind's purpose, it doesn't look bad. Probably a good base for the Amarr model I suppose; it'll be interesting to see the finished product.

Either way, the Caldari and Gallente Destroyers are sure to look cool, and I'm sure all will function equally well in their roles. It's not like the Thrasher was ever appreciated either, (I think that's why people were hoping for a nice, sleek Minmatar Destroyer), but it was--and is--often used.

Pretty impressive what you did with those designs, whatever anyone says.

Thanks,

Smile
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Covert Custard
Covert Technology
#65 - 2012-10-03 08:15:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Covert Custard
Mars Theran wrote:
CCP Huskarl wrote:


[quote]Type45


Fake. Photoshop. This doesn't exist except as a concept, hasn't been built, and likely never will be. Too expensive and with limited purpose. Radar concealment isn't that effective when your hull is transferring the sound of your engines to the water and telling people 100s of miles away that you are there, if they are listening. Pointless and pointlessly expensive.




Fake and doesn't exist? Never been built and never will be? Your Navy-fu is weak!

I think the Royal Navy would have something to say to your ridiculous statement, seeing as the Type 45 Daring Class entered service in 2009 after completing sea trials. And the RN currently have 4 out of the planned 6 in service!

Info on the Daring here --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_45_destroyer

Also if you think the Type 45 is fake, check out the planned Type 26 Global Combat Ship here --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_26_frigate . That is paper only at the moment, but like the Type 45, will be coming to a warzone near you, courtesy of the Royal Navy, Soon (tm)
Jackie Fisher
Syrkos Technologies
#66 - 2012-10-03 11:56:17 UTC
If the art department wants some real inspiration for ugly they should just pick any late 19th-early 20th century French battleship or cruiser.

Fear God and Thread Nought
C4rnag3
Perkone
Caldari State
#67 - 2012-10-03 12:43:38 UTC
Warde Guildencrantz wrote:


btw use this for the model:
http://th08.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2010/279/7/a/caldari_peregrine_battleship_by_cosmos6173-d306g3s.jpg


This is already in the game and calls Mantis
Mar Drakar
LDK
#68 - 2012-10-03 13:07:13 UTC
Mars Theran wrote:
CCP Huskarl wrote:
Hey



[quote]SuperHind


This is just weird. Kind of stupid actually, and the Engineer should probably.. scratch that, was probably shot, (for wasting money; either that, or he ended up in the Tower of London). I realize the design has a purpose, but I doubt he really thought that one through, and it probably doesn't work very well.

Guessing it was designed to deflect rocket propelled grenades of the front of the craft without detonating them. If they hit just right, it would probably work.



http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/apache-helicopter-47.jpg

FYI land of the free made same ugly looking thing, except the autocannon is mounted below pilots not in front.

I think you could even do paralels for sensor blobs on those noses...

ANYWAY BACK ON TOPIC:

WHEN WILL SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING ABOUT SPACE SHOE aka dominix?
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#69 - 2012-10-03 13:26:16 UTC
Mars Theran wrote:

Quote:
SuperHind


This is just weird. Kind of stupid actually, and the Engineer should probably.. scratch that, was probably shot, (for wasting money; either that, or he ended up in the Tower of London). I realize the design has a purpose, but I doubt he really thought that one through, and it probably doesn't work very well.

Guessing it was designed to deflect rocket propelled grenades of the front of the craft without detonating them. If they hit just right, it would probably work.


Your military knowledge is horribly lacking.
The Super Hind is retrofitted by a South African arms company, ATE-Aerospace. The original Hind is by Mil Moscow Helicopter Plant. England has nothing to do with it. The Gunner uses the nose-mounted sensor pod and a head tracking helmet to direct the 20mm dual-feed cannon.
1100kgs lighter than any Mi-24/35. its climbs faster, is more agile has greater range and can carry an even wider rander of weapons than even the latest Russian made Mi-35s. The original Russian frame had a lot more problems, and lacked night vision. This is also a hugely less expensive option than other modern attack helicopters.
Korvin
Shadow Kingdom
Best Alliance
#70 - 2012-10-03 13:47:28 UTC
Awaiting the result

Member of CSM 4&5 ... &8
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#71 - 2012-10-03 14:49:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Skippermonkey
So basically the models been built and isnt going to change?

How dissapointing

edit - any chance of us seeing the designs for the Minmatar Destroyer that were dropped in favor of this one?

edit 2 - or show us a picture of it bristling with missile turrets. This might change the minds of a few?

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#72 - 2012-10-03 15:42:49 UTC
I like it,

Its weird.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#73 - 2012-10-06 02:22:12 UTC
Cool... Minmatar snow plow... I thought we needed one in the ice belts...
Haifisch Zahne
Hraka Manufacture GmbH
#74 - 2012-10-06 07:17:58 UTC
The new Minmatar dessie: Design department must have said, "Oh, yeah, let's have a box... and, I know, put something else on it." Scrap the design. Now.

The new Tempest: WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOU TOUCH THE BEST LOOKING SHIP IN EVE. Period.

The new Caldari dessie: I like it, but too much resemblance to the Tier 3 battlecruiser.

The new Gallente dessie: can't tell too much yet, but at least it is not a box, and has some interesting new features. (Certainly looks greyish silver without any texture map.)
Sirinda
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
#75 - 2012-10-06 11:12:43 UTC
You actually need something like that if you try to fit a Super Hind with a turreted cannon. You'll run into trouble fitting it into the original airframe's nose otherwise, and face it, you don't really need to be streamlined in the extreme with an attack helicopter.

Plus, lots of internals for computer hardware and sensors, that always comes at a premium in combat aircraft.

(And keep in mind these aren't made from scratch, they refurbish old Mi-24 hulls...)
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#76 - 2012-10-06 15:08:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Mars Theran
Covert Custard wrote:
Mars Theran wrote:
CCP Huskarl wrote:


[quote]Type45


Fake. Photoshop. This doesn't exist except as a concept, hasn't been built, and likely never will be. Too expensive and with limited purpose. Radar concealment isn't that effective when your hull is transferring the sound of your engines to the water and telling people 100s of miles away that you are there, if they are listening. Pointless and pointlessly expensive.




Fake and doesn't exist? Never been built and never will be? Your Navy-fu is weak!

I think the Royal Navy would have something to say to your ridiculous statement, seeing as the Type 45 Daring Class entered service in 2009 after completing sea trials. And the RN currently have 4 out of the planned 6 in service!

Info on the Daring here --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_45_destroyer

Also if you think the Type 45 is fake, check out the planned Type 26 Global Combat Ship here --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_26_frigate. That is paper only at the moment, but like the Type 45, will be coming to a warzone near you, courtesy of the Royal Navy, Soon (tm)


Have another look at full res, then go back and take a look at the one linked earlier.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bf/HMS_Daring-1.jpg

edit: That is to say, I was right, it doesn't exist. Your ship is just a cheap knockoff. Cripes, the hull is even buckled in places because they used thin metal plating.


edit2: Although, on 2nd look, that original is just a poor 3D model representation.

edit3: That 2nd link doesn't go anywhere. Perhaps it was fake?
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Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#77 - 2012-10-06 16:07:14 UTC
Mars Theran wrote:

edit2: Although, on 2nd look, that original is just a poor 3D model representation.

edit3: That 2nd link doesn't go anywhere. Perhaps it was fake?


A. Those 3d models are just mockups of the planed craft. And was likely just one of the first google hits the dev got when posting samples...

B. The 2ed link had a period (.) At the end of the url. Not a hard fix.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_26_frigate
Morgan North
Dark-Rising
Wrecking Machine.
#78 - 2012-10-07 07:45:30 UTC
CCP Huskarl wrote:
Hey

As the Art Director I just wanted to you give you a quick heads up on what thoughts went into designing the new destroyers. All of them are heavily influenced by historical military machinery and of course the ships functionality plays a big role in the design process as well.

Yes the design of the new Minmatar destroyer would probably not fall under the category of sleek, elegant and pretty anytime soon. And i will gladly admit that its sort of like a flying brick or a Russian WW2 tank with solar panels but that's exactly what we what we thought would make it an interesting and cool addition to the EVE universe and hopefully appealing to some good portion of the players. Plus the texture work on it is one of the best I've seen on a Minmatar ship yet.

Here are some interesting examples of strange (and not always pretty) but very functional military designs:

KV2

SuperHind

BartiniBeriev

Type45


How dare you quote a HIND has ugly! Its beautiful, iconic and AWESOME!

Although I see it as gallente.

Minmatar is more like the MIL-28 Havoc.
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#79 - 2012-10-08 01:22:19 UTC
Morgan North wrote:

How dare you quote a HIND has ugly! Its beautiful, iconic and AWESOME!

Although I see it as gallente.

Minmatar is more like the MIL-28 Havoc.


Ka-50 Hokum. More wingy bits.
Covert Custard
Covert Technology
#80 - 2012-10-08 16:47:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Covert Custard
Mars Theran wrote:
edit: That is to say, I was right, it doesn't exist. Your ship is just a cheap knockoff. Cripes, the hull is even buckled in places because they used thin metal plating.

: That 2nd link doesn't go anywhere. Perhaps it was fake?


A cheap knock of of what?; the ship was designed in the UK, built in the UK and deployed by UK. The US does not have exclusive use of the word "Navy". It should have been obvious that it was a UK concept as the helo is a AH101 Merlin, not a SH60 Sea Hawk. The Merlin is a helicopter fit for a President, seeing at it is the designated replacement for Marine One (under the US designation VH-71 Kestrel, airframe and rotors; built in the UK. Power plant and avionics by Lockheed Martin as it has to be "football" compatible)

2nd link now works, I added a extraneous full stop to the end by accident. The Type 26 will start to be laid down in 2015 and enter seatrials from 2019 and enter service 2021