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T3 Offgrid Boosters ECCM'd still un-probable

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Geoscape
Unleashed' Fury
The Initiative.
#21 - 2012-10-01 19:10:02 UTC
Nestara Aldent wrote:
Geoscape wrote:
A couple months ago I made a handy spreadsheet when i tested various probe formations and implant combinations.

If you have 8 probes and perfect skills you can get away with just the AR-810+Virtue Beta+Virtue Delta.
However, it does need almost perfect probe placement, which does take some time to do.


And if enemy booster have HG Halos? And fit I posted above? HG Halos will lessen the sig of that fitting above to 103m.

With HG halos its 166 sensor strength vs 103m sig ~ 1.611 ratio
With HG jackals its 291 sensor strength vs 130m sig ~ 2.238 ratio, even more!

Will LG virtues and scanning implants help in these cases, versus my fit?


The sensor strength/sig ratio has an upper limit beyond which more eccm/halo sets give no further benefit
as far as probing is concerned, iirc 1.08 is the maximum.
http://community.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp?patchlogID=230

The 4xECCM merlin that I used as a target has a ratio of 1.99, well above the hardcoded cap.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#22 - 2012-10-02 19:00:48 UTC
Ganthrithor wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Bloodpetal wrote:
Tried to probe down a T3 Loki offgrid combat boosting with an L5 Cheetah with L5 Scan Strength, with Sisters Faction, With SIsters Probes, with 10% implant.

Couldn't get it past 94.03%.

The only thing left that I could do is put down 5B for a Sisters Scan Strength Implant Set to have a better chance at this, but it's pretty absurd that it has to come down to that to even have a CHANCE at probing down a T3, and even then still can't be sure that it is probable.

Please nerf the damn T3 ECCM issue again, I want to kill Offgrid Combat Boosting Loki!!!

Pirate




No, the unique and real solution is to definitively and decisively KILL OGB other than industrial boosts (mining related ONLY)


Because miners shouldn't have to risk anything ever right? If they kick offgrid boosting in the teeth, they'd damn well better make you put your bloody Rorqual in a belt as well.


You don't fail to understand because you already know it, the problem with T3 boosting is no really the T3 it self, nor the fact it has 1% more than regular command ship, the problem is OFF GRID !!
Bring those T3 on grid and lets see how many will use them. You should know by now that if you want your T3 on the field you can forget your several links+uber implant toon and you're better bringing a tougher command ship but less links.

Now lets keep the old bad bitter cynical excuse: T3's are OP !

It's so much easier.

brb

Nestara Aldent
Citimatics
#23 - 2012-10-02 19:13:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Nestara Aldent
Off-grid boosting is fine, just nerf it, so that it have enormous sig bloom and few links on are the same as MWD on. That way, we still have off grid boosting, but off grid booster would need to be microed, not just warped to safespot and forgotten. Also as 2nd, not everyone can or want to boost on grid, boosting on grid could be buffed (or off grid nerfed) relatively, so that there's a benefit of booster being on-grid. that 2nd change will make field command ships very useful. Also, on top of better efficiency when on-grid, these command ships should have best boosts available, both in quality and in number of links possible.

Also, Eos is bad. Maybe have command ships - on top of all this - give 2x bonuses to links, like this:

Vulture = siege + info
Eos = armor + info
Claymore = skirmish + siege
Damnation = skirmish + armor

Or maybe not? This is only a proposal. But Eos and Proteus (in boosting fits) need to be looked into. Revamping info warfare is 2nd possible solution.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#24 - 2012-10-02 19:45:02 UTC
Nestara Aldent wrote:
Off-grid boosting is fine, just nerf it, so that it have enormous sig bloom and few links on are the same as MWD on.


At this point nothing would be solved, it's just like strapping ducktape on a broken leg. looks better but does not solve the problem.

How much does this affects the POS kissing boosting alt? -nothing, absolutely nothing=worthless effort put in when they could be solving other insteresting problems with Eve.

How much will this affect fleet boosting -those bouncing in between safes with uber 100Mil implant and several millions of fit to fit more links than regular Command ship? -Again, nothing. You will not catch it faster than you can catch a Drake full LSE bouncing in between safes. Again worthless decision and again nothing is solved.

Bring boosting on gridd and sudenly a lot of things will change for better, much better game for every one.

brb

Nestara Aldent
Citimatics
#25 - 2012-10-02 20:03:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Nestara Aldent
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Nestara Aldent wrote:
Off-grid boosting is fine, just nerf it, so that it have enormous sig bloom and few links on are the same as MWD on.


At this point nothing would be solved, it's just like strapping ducktape on a broken leg. looks better but does not solve the problem.

How much does this affects the POS kissing boosting alt? -nothing, absolutely nothing=worthless effort put in when they could be solving other insteresting problems with Eve.

How much will this affect fleet boosting -those bouncing in between safes with uber 100Mil implant and several millions of fit to fit more links than regular Command ship? -Again, nothing. You will not catch it faster than you can catch a Drake full LSE bouncing in between safes. Again worthless decision and again nothing is solved.

Bring boosting on gridd and sudenly a lot of things will change for better, much better game for every one.



Thats a problem with T3 boosters more than off-grid.

- Rorq must be able to boost off grid, sry.
- Titans must be able to boost off-grid too

However T3 boosting can be nerfed a lot, in efficiency, and in no. of links they can use.

So why removing offgrid boosting? your boost will be better, if you put a booster on-grid (with my proposal), and you'll have the edge.
POS boosting can be a problem, but make subcaps unable to boost from POS.

There, its pretty balanced. You want to risk booster on grid? You'll be rewarded with more effective boost. However many ppl use boosters for other uses, unrelated for PVP - that guy who have a booster alt to boost his tank for missions for example.
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