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FX-8150

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NoNah
Hyper-Nova
#1 - 2012-10-02 18:58:18 UTC
Hey,

I'm a bit tempted to look into this CPU a bit more, pretty much only for EVE. I realise there's plenty of other CPUs who does the job better for single client, question is what happens once you look at 15+ clients. Will similiar priced CPUs like the 3570k still be a better pick?

It's virtually impossible to find any good reviews that seem relevant so was hoping someone had actually tested it.
ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#2 - 2012-10-02 19:06:19 UTC
I had a bulldozer chip and whilst I was impressed with the architecture, I had to RMA it because the majority of my Steam games refuse to work, actually BSOD'ing.

There was a microcode update that helped a bit, but not enough.

I replaced it with a Phenom II X4 980 BE and have been far more satisfied with the performance.

I'm running Windows 7 Professional 64bit with 8gb of RAM and I can multi-box 4 clients without any problems.

Hope this helps.

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Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#3 - 2012-10-02 19:16:32 UTC
Might I suggest the FX-8120. It's 30 dollars cheaper and you'll get about the same performance.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103961

Just looking from a budget perspective. It could also be overclocked without problems.

I currently use the Phenom II x4 965 BE but I plan on upgrading to the 8120 here soon or maybe a 10 core when they come out.

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NoNah
Hyper-Nova
#4 - 2012-10-02 21:45:00 UTC
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Might I suggest the FX-8120. It's 30 dollars cheaper and you'll get about the same performance.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103961

Just looking from a budget perspective. It could also be overclocked without problems.

I currently use the Phenom II x4 965 BE but I plan on upgrading to the 8120 here soon or maybe a 10 core when they come out.


Oh... 10 core could be even more interesting. I heard something about them being cancelled however?

And yeah, 8120 or 8150 doesn't really matter. I'm just curious how running a bunch of clients would actually owrk on it.

As for the steam issues, is this still so? I thought it was fixed, but if it's still a big issue I guess it may be a no go from start.
ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#5 - 2012-10-02 21:55:26 UTC
It was fixed for some people with a BIOS update that updates the CPU's microcode.

The problem was, for me, that my motherboard needed the same BIOS update to actually use a Bulldozer chip in the first place, and a lot of people only got god performance without said update.

Hand on heart, I would have to say that it's not a gamers chip at the moment - this microcode update actually slows the processor down.

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kerradeph
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-10-02 23:57:56 UTC
I would say the 3570 would probably be a better chip considering that chip is the gen3 'I' series CPU while it's gen2 equivalent was dropkicking the 8150 with ease.
CaptainFalcon07
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody
#7 - 2012-10-03 01:49:21 UTC
I used to be an AMD fan years ago, but nowadays Intel just has the lead, they blow away AMD.

I currently have a Intel 2500K and works awesome even at stock speeds on most games. Though sometimes I crank it up to 4.7 ghz with a cheap fan.

I say you go for the 3570K, it will last longer than the FX and more future proof.
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#8 - 2012-10-03 09:18:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
AMD did some weird stuff with Bulldozer, and the result, while hyped before release, it wasn't very pretty, and it has shown.
One such "Bulldozer module" (actual physical "core") that reports two separate (logical) cores should normally be slightly better than a single physical core with hyperthreading enabled (for two logical cores, Intel tech), but worse than two actually separate physical cores... but it's so only in a very limited set of circumstances which you normally don't really care for.

The FX-8150 (~190$, 125W TDP) is basically not really an 8-core 3.6GHz CPU, but a a 4-Bulldozer-module CPU. It only manages to be marginally faster than an i5-3570 (~215$, 77W TDP) in certain circumstances (MOSTLY SYNTHETIC BENCHMARKS), even if the Intel chip has only 4 physical cores (with no hyperthreading) at slightly lower frequencies and with much lower power usage. And that's before you consider the slightly more expensive 3570k and some light overclocking (only so much as to match the FX's TDP). In actual gaming situations, the Bulldozer architecture pretty much fails its intended purpose, and the FX-8150 performs ever so slightly worse than even a 2500, let alone a 2600 or a 3570. Heck, it's not noticeably better than my rapidly aging i5-760.

All that being said, having a very good CPU is not really that much of an issue for most current gaming needs, the GPU is more of a pressing matter most of the time.
For EVE, for instance, CPU only matters when you go into seriously player-heavy PvP battles (think nullsec fleet combat), until then, the video card is the undisputed king (by virtue of being the only noteworthy bottleneck).

IMO, either go with a radically cheaper Phenom (an AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition @3.4GHz costs only ~100$ and is quite enough for most games) and give your wallet a rest (or push the savings into a GPU upgrade), or an i5 (no need to go i7 ; i5-3570 or i5-3570k sounds like the most sensible choice right now) and leave the FX alone, not really worth the bother, not the currently available ones anyway.
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#9 - 2012-10-03 16:06:43 UTC
Well, this is interesting:

http://news.softpedia.com/news/AMD-Still-Committed-to-x86-Whatever-That-Means-237441.shtml
(I found other articles saying the same thing and they are also focusing on ARM tech for mobile tech.)

The most logical thing for AMD to do, especially with the flop of bulldozer, is to focus on the APU platform. They are a lot of opportunities for them to just focus on the general market for the average PC user. Enthusiast and extreme gamers are actually a small percentage of the market. Majority of the basic users are just looking for something that will last a decent amount of time, run farmville and barely puts a dent in their wallet.

I've also heard rumors ( http://news.softpedia.com/news/AMD-Not-Competing-With-Intel-Anymore-Goes-Mobile-237103.shtml ) that AMD might be applying their fusion platform to the mobile side of things. I think that would make a way better, cheaper mobile product... as long as it's not a flop.

on a side note, I think softpedia copied those articles. I remember reading them on other sites almost word for word but I can't remember.

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NoNah
Hyper-Nova
#10 - 2012-10-04 03:26:32 UTC
Akita T wrote:

The FX-8150 (~190$, 125W TDP) is basically not really an 8-core 3.6GHz CPU, but a a 4-Bulldozer-module CPU. It only manages to be marginally faster than an i5-3570 (~215$, 77W TDP) in certain circumstances (MOSTLY SYNTHETIC BENCHMARKS), even if the Intel chip has only 4 physical cores (with no hyperthreading) at slightly lower frequencies and with much lower power usage. And that's before you consider the slightly more expensive 3570k and some light overclocking (only so much as to match the FX's TDP). In actual gaming situations, the Bulldozer architecture pretty much fails its intended purpose, and the FX-8150 performs ever so slightly worse than even a 2500, let alone a 2600 or a 3570. Heck, it's not noticeably better than my rapidly aging i5-760.

All that being said, having a very good CPU is not really that much of an issue for most current gaming needs, the GPU is more of a pressing matter most of the time.
For EVE, for instance, CPU only matters when you go into seriously player-heavy PvP battles (think nullsec fleet combat), until then, the video card is the undisputed king (by virtue of being the only noteworthy bottleneck).

IMO, either go with a radically cheaper Phenom (an AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition @3.4GHz costs only ~100$ and is quite enough for most games) and give your wallet a rest (or push the savings into a GPU upgrade), or an i5 (no need to go i7 ; i5-3570 or i5-3570k sounds like the most sensible choice right now) and leave the FX alone, not really worth the bother, not the currently available ones anyway.


See, I would've expected running multiple eve-clients to be JUST one of those certain cirumstances. I'd expect it to handle say 20-23 clients quit e noticably better than the 3570k. As you point out yourself, the CPU isn't all that relevant for most other games, which should mean it doesn't really matter for those.

I'm currently running a Phenom II x3(One of those with a fully functional fourth core), but find the CPU stressed out way before neither memory nor the GPU seems to annoyed. Of course, this would be entirely different running fewer clients.
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#11 - 2012-10-04 14:55:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
NoNah wrote:
See, I would've expected running multiple eve-clients to be JUST one of those certain cirumstances. I'd expect it to handle say 20-23 clients quit e noticably better than the 3570k. As you point out yourself, the CPU isn't all that relevant for most other games, which should mean it doesn't really matter for those.

I'm not so sure about the "quite noticeably better", but yes, somewhat better almost completely surely (and also a bit cheaper as icing on the cake). Vs the 3770k however, I'd guess the Intel would probably tie in performance (but lose big time in price)... depends on what EVE stresses the CPU most at (integer or FP).
Get into the overclocking game however, and the Intels should be easier to push higher (if using the same aftermarket cooling solution) due to their much lower base TDPs (the settings to achieve optimal overclocking though, that's tricky as heck, initially people thought IvyBridge is crap at overclocking due to they needing some initially counter-intuitive tweaks that took a while to get tested by enthusiasts).

I guess you're right, if you don't want to mess around with anything much, and you want to keep on a reasonable budget, the FX might be the better choice.