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New Minnie destroyer... o.O

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DeBingJos
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2012-10-02 06:26:27 UTC
Don't touch the new mimatar destroyer! It is fine as it is!

The people that want to fly beautiful ships can go amarr or gallete!

Ungi maðurinn þekkir reglurnar, en gamli maðurinn þekkir undantekningarnar. The young man knows the rules, but the old man knows the exceptions.

Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2012-10-02 10:32:40 UTC
I like the look of the Minmatar destroyer. The Gallente destroyer, on the other hand, looks terrible... I guess it's just down to personal taste.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
#43 - 2012-10-02 14:35:01 UTC
CCP Goliath wrote:


It's really not at all. We've never had this early level of public testing before, and it's important to focus on the features that we ask for feedback on, not the ones we explicitly don't. I wasn't being dismissive in the slightest, just trying to keep people focused on what was the subject of the tests - ship balancing.


That doesn't change the fact that the matari destroyer is ******* disgusting looking... Just because you're "not looking" for a review on the new destroyer does not make the feedback people are giving you any less productive. I understand that you're looking for feedback on balance however the way ships look also have a huge impact on the willingness to fly said ships. I'd advise you and the art department to pull your heads out of your arsses and realize that this matari model is bad, just plain bad.
CCP Huskarl
C C P
C C P Alliance
#44 - 2012-10-02 15:41:41 UTC
Hey

As the Art Director I just wanted to you give you a quick heads up on what thoughts went into designing the new destroyers. All of them are heavily influenced by historical military machinery and of course the ships functionality plays a big role in the design process as well.

Yes the design of the new Minmatar destroyer would probably not fall under the category of sleek, elegant and pretty anytime soon. And i will gladly admit that its sort of like a flying brick or a Russian WW2 tank with solar panels but that's exactly what we what we thought would make it an interesting and cool addition to the EVE universe and hopefully appealing to some good portion of the players. Plus the texture work on it is one of the best I've seen on a Minmatar ship yet.

Here are some interesting examples of strange (and not always pretty) but very functional military designs:

KV2

SuperHind

BartiniBeriev

Type45
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#45 - 2012-10-02 15:58:04 UTC
Thanks for the response CCP Huskarl.

I guess that answers that question. The "plow on a brick" look is completely intentional and here to stay. Got it.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
Warde Guildencrantz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#46 - 2012-10-02 15:59:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Warde Guildencrantz
CCP Huskarl wrote:
Hey

As the Art Director I just wanted to you give you a quick heads up on what thoughts went into designing the new destroyers. All of them are heavily influenced by historical military machinery and of course the ships functionality plays a big role in the design process as well.

Yes the design of the new Minmatar destroyer would probably not fall under the category of sleek, elegant and pretty anytime soon. And i will gladly admit that its sort of like a flying brick or a Russian WW2 tank with solar panels but that's exactly what we what we thought would make it an interesting and cool addition to the EVE universe and hopefully appealing to some good portion of the players. Plus the texture work on it is one of the best I've seen on a Minmatar ship yet.

Here are some interesting examples of strange (and not always pretty) but very functional military designs:

KV2

SuperHind

BartiniBeriev

Type45



But none of those are nearly as ugly as the moa...so we getting a remodel of it? :P

btw use this for the model:
http://th08.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2010/279/7/a/caldari_peregrine_battleship_by_cosmos6173-d306g3s.jpg

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OlRotGut
#47 - 2012-10-02 16:26:47 UTC
I actually like the model for the destroyer. I like them all. Not sure what the fuss is all about as there are definitely uglier ships currently in New Eden. Lol.
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#48 - 2012-10-02 16:31:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Roll Sizzle Beef
CCP Huskarl wrote:
Hey

As the Art Director I just wanted to you give you a quick heads up on what thoughts went into designing the new destroyers. All of them are heavily influenced by historical military machinery and of course the ships functionality plays a big role in the design process as well.


I love the rear of the Minmatar destroyer. I can see the tank influence, but I see the US Civil War Ironclads.
Its the whole transition to wingy bits for me though that makes it fall apart. The difference between the destroyer and the other unorthodox military vehicles you posted is the fact the real world ones flowed into themselves like it was meant for the craft.

For me, going from spindly satellite panels on skinny toothpick rails into a brick just doesn't flow. Others seem to have a problem with the block "turret" bridge. So we all don't feel the same way about the ship as a whole, but its obvious the most discontent comes from the flow of different styles on a single ship.

And now that stats have been given, this blocky ironclad WWII tank hull is bonused as a MWD speed tank makes me disillusioned to the whole presentation of the ship.
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#49 - 2012-10-02 16:38:17 UTC
CCP Huskarl wrote:


Yes the design of the new Minmatar destroyer would probably not fall under the category of sleek, elegant and pretty anytime soon. And i will gladly admit that its sort of like a flying brick or a Russian WW2 tank with solar panels but that's exactly what we what we thought would make it an interesting and cool addition to the EVE universe and hopefully appealing to some good portion of the players.


Thank you, it's intentionally utilitarian and spartan, ie it's Minmatar.

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#50 - 2012-10-02 17:02:14 UTC
CCP Huskarl wrote:
Hey

As the Art Director I just wanted to you give you a quick heads up on what thoughts went into designing the new destroyers. All of them are heavily influenced by historical military machinery and of course the ships functionality plays a big role in the design process as well.

Yes the design of the new Minmatar destroyer would probably not fall under the category of sleek, elegant and pretty anytime soon. And i will gladly admit that its sort of like a flying brick or a Russian WW2 tank with solar panels but that's exactly what we what we thought would make it an interesting and cool addition to the EVE universe and hopefully appealing to some good portion of the players. Plus the texture work on it is one of the best I've seen on a Minmatar ship yet.

Here are some interesting examples of strange (and not always pretty) but very functional military designs:

KV2

SuperHind

BartiniBeriev

Type45



hey bro... i am one of the few who actually love the new ship look... reminds me of a civil war ironclad

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#51 - 2012-10-02 17:45:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Karl Hobb
CCP Huskarl wrote:
Yes the design of the new Minmatar destroyer would probably not fall under the category of sleek, elegant and pretty anytime soon. And i will gladly admit that its sort of like a flying brick or a Russian WW2 tank with solar panels but that's exactly what we what we thought would make it an interesting and cool addition to the EVE universe and hopefully appealing to some good portion of the players. Plus the texture work on it is one of the best I've seen on a Minmatar ship yet.

Please pass on to the artist(s) that the new Minmatar and Caldari destroyers look great.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
PinkKnife
The Cuddlefish
Ethereal Dawn
#52 - 2012-10-02 17:53:22 UTC
Can you please explain the balls on the Gallente destroyer, was the Thorax not phallic enough?
Covert Custard
Covert Technology
#53 - 2012-10-02 18:12:55 UTC
PinkKnife wrote:
Can you please explain the balls on the Gallente destroyer, was the Thorax not phallic enough?


For my money, it looks like the Gallente Destroyer is a mini carrier. The balls could be EWAR related, or, if I am super lucky it could be drone control pods ^_^

Finally a "Gurdian-Vexor" you'd not be afraid to undock in!!!
Covert Custard
Covert Technology
#54 - 2012-10-02 18:18:41 UTC
CCP Huskarl wrote:
Hey

As the Art Director I just wanted to you give you a quick heads up on what thoughts went into designing the new destroyers. All of them are heavily influenced by historical military machinery and of course the ships functionality plays a big role in the design process as well.

Type45


The Type 45 is an epic looking destroyer, as is the new Gallente dessy that I have seen. I rolled Gallante, fly mainly Caldari as I like the look more (Rokh = OMG , the Naga = OMGWTFamazing ^_^)

But the true "dark horse" of the new Dessy's is the Caldari.... it looks egg zachery like a U-boat.... I really hope it will be a "run silent, run deep" type ****
Midnight Hope
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#55 - 2012-10-02 18:42:07 UTC
CCP Huskarl wrote:
Hey

Yes the design of the new Minmatar destroyer would probably not fall under the category of sleek, elegant and pretty anytime soon. And i will gladly admit that its sort of like a flying brick or a Russian WW2 tank with solar panels but that's exactly what we what we thought would make it an interesting and cool addition to the EVE universe ...


I understand where you are coming from (the Caldari one looks like a u-boat)...but I'm still not sold on the idea...and it is certainly not growing on me. TBH, tanks never really attracted me much...or I would be playing World of Tanks instead of EVE. Twisted
Dex Tera
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#56 - 2012-10-02 19:03:27 UTC
i dont fly minmatar and il be brutaly honest ccp the new minmatar desto looks like S**T Evil fix it so i dot have to waste ammo on an ugly ship when i put it out of its missery
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#57 - 2012-10-02 19:43:00 UTC
Dex Tera wrote:
i dont fly minmatar and il be brutaly honest ccp the new minmatar desto looks like S**T Evil fix it so i dot have to waste ammo on an ugly ship when i put it out of its missery

Not really inducive to the cause.
What part is disliked and why? "the whole thing" does not really tweak the hull that we are obviously going to use. Yet there is a slim slim slim chance it could still be tweaked.
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#58 - 2012-10-02 20:09:34 UTC
Lors Dornick wrote:

Thank you, it's intentionally utilitarian and spartan, ie it's Minmatar.


Spartan doesn't go hand in hand with ugly. The Hurricane, Hound, new Tempest and new Stabber are sparse and definitely Minmatar yet, attractive designs. They have a flow to them where the flying tank doesn't. I think Roll Sizzle Beef hit the nail on the head when he mentioned the jarring lack of transition from the angled, almost stylized, solar panels on the front to the main body. It goes from spindly to BAM, this brick with yet another small brick stuck on the top. There's no flow and the profile just doesn't look like anything else in the Minmatar ship lineup. It strikes me more as related to the ORE barges than a Matari warship.

Oh well, it doesn't matter. CCP wants this design and this is what we'll end up with even though opinions in these forums are running about 5 to 1 against it.
Cry

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
Callic Veratar
#59 - 2012-10-02 20:14:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Callic Veratar
The thing that irks me about the new destroyer is that it's so similar to the new Hound. Changing the orientation of the hull or the direction, attachment or angle of the fins at the front would give it it's own feel. Sails like the Shuttle, Cyclone, Maelstrom, or Hurricane would give it a unique feel from the Hound.
bassie12bf1
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#60 - 2012-10-02 20:40:40 UTC
I'm gonna have to see and fly this destroyer to really say anything about it.