EVE New Citizens Q&A

New players, do yourself a favour, don't listen to the OP !!

To the OP: we get it, you don't like the fact that the NPC will switch to attacking your drones. The point is that they always should have done in the first place.

You'll now have to manage your drones and replace the ones that you do lose. The rest of us have to deal with continually buying ammo and all of the ewar effects that the NPC throw at us.

The new AI is not going to be the sleeper AI, it's a reduced variant of it. Anyway, even if it was Sleeper AI loads of other people appear to successfully use drones against them.

This is only true if you are poo at drone control. For everyone else, enjoy the new AI it should make things more real and more fun.

1) ISD cannot ban from the forums (which has been stated many times) if you have a problem with someone on the forums please file a petition.

2) He did not say duality there is more then 1(one) Test server. As you stated Duality is not up. But there is Buckingham which is online and is the current Public Test Server since Sisi is getting an overhauled. ( See This Dev blog for more information).

3) You started the topic so please don't whine if others are disagreeing with you and you don't like what they are saying. As I said before constructive discussion is what needs to be held not name calling and other nonsense.

I don't mind arguments as long as they are in a civil way. If it gets out of hand I or another forum moderator will put our foot down. Personally I would rather not have that happen. I am very understanding and lax(sometimes) in my moderation but it's all for good arguments or information(both positive and negative information). But if we cannot have nice things then I will just end it.

Consider this the final notice for this thread. Next time I will put a pad lock on it.

For information on Buckingham please look at this URL: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Buckingham

Edit: made a correction on point 2.

In lvl 4 missions I dont give two *****.

Oh no incoming fire at my drones.

Recall sentrys redeploy. Takes roughly 3 seconds, A disruption in my dps I can stand.

This is really only bad for people who tend to send mobile drones out to long ranges and leave them on aggresive. Wich right now is a bad Idea even with the current AI.

Mission Domi FTW new AI be damned.

Why would CCP and eve player base want to hammer as you put it new players? I am very new so don't really know much about much but it seems like bad business to try an increase the learning curve for new players.

From what i have read in CCP FoxFour's thread its bringing the AI more in line with the higher end PvE stuff which would at least on the surface lesson the learning curve to get into those higher level (Gonna get the name wrong incursions? Sleeplers?)

You are as you said, new.

And as you said, from a business perspective, it certainly does not seem to make sense to attack the new player base.

But read the forums carefully. You will see that there is a small, but extremely influential group that are bent on wiping high sec (the new player's best base) from the game. The CSM, which is made up of Eve players, is supposed to represent the Eve players best interests when dealing with CCP. It is made up of 14 people, with I believe 5 of them alternates. Of that 14, two, yes TWO, supposedly represent high sec. The majority come from the null sec alliances, and many many in the null sec alliances hate high sec with an unrelenting passion.

Do you own reading on the forums. Many of the null sec zealots post that high sec should be abolished completely. Attacks on drones in a PVE setting is just another step towards that.

And the other thing is PVE in Incursions is a group effort, as are most profitable Sleeper sites.
Mission running is typically most profitable running solo.

So while I see the point of "getting used to the AI" would seem to have merit, in fact, the two styles have very, very little in common.You learn about fitting a ship for tanking and DPS in missions, and that much can be transferred to Sleeper/Incursions. But that is about it.

My days running flying a logistics boat against Pandemic Legion in null sec taught me more about fighting Incursion rats than anything else.

This attack on drones is merely another attack on high sec play, specifically high sec solo play, in an effort to crush high sec income.

Rule 29/30 Violation edited post- ISD Athechu

Alright new people listen up. There are many ways to do level 4 missions. One method involves getting a very tanky ship making all the mission rats shoot you. Then you launch your drones and set them to attack anything thats attacks you. Then you go do something for 10 minutes, come back and do it for the next mission. OP leads me to believe this is what he does. Rats now will go, "Oi this guy won't die and ain't even shooting! Ima attack these little buggers killing me...". If you aren't there to manage drones now they will pop.

Take this lession away newbies. In eve you must learn to adapt to the situation or die.

Everytime CCP changes something. People start whining in advance that it will stop people from joining EVE, yet everyday there are new players joining Rookie Help, so stop whining, people can adapt, if not then EVE might not be the game for them.

And as for new players:

New players = frigates, destroyers and maybe the odd crusiers. Outside the Gallente race ships, those thing hardly carry drones at all.

And new players that joined EVE, didn't know how it used to be so they will learn with the new mechanic and never knew it used to be different.

You are wrong twice in 1 single sentense:

A.) I don't want to wipe out high-sec. High-sec is fine, I often do some level 4 missions there with friends, or an Incursion. I made most of my ISK by trading in high-sec. So why do I want to wipe it out.

B.) You fail to understand what CCP is doing, majorly. They are overhauling NPC AI, not mission rat AI. So all the changes you whine about in missions will ALSO affect the rats in the null-sec belts, the null-sec anomalies and null-sec plexes.

Null-sec doesn't hate high-sec.

Null-sec hates the carebears that want risk-free EVE. That is now EVE, go play any other MMO that hold you by the hand if you want risk free.

And maybe, the CSM made of null-sec people mostly cause those are the people with a heart for the game. A large portion of high-sec people don't really care, are alts, are alts of alts, are alts of alts of alts etc, bots, or just people that don't vote.

If ALL high-sec dwellers would vote, then CSM would be high-sec filled as most characters live in high-sec if you look at player base.

And like said, it does look like null hates high-sec, but they don't they need high-sec for buying and selling stuff. They are fine with high-sec, they hate the carebears that whine about everything that makes EVE more dangerous.