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Official Protest - Mittani should be removed from CSM - *** UPDATED RESPONSE POSTED ***

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Vaffel Junior
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#401 - 2011-10-17 08:58:12 UTC
So mutch goon vommit..... Lol
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din
Commonwealth Vanguard
#402 - 2011-10-17 09:10:09 UTC
If Mittani is removed from the CSm for using some in-game tactics then so should every other member of the CSM. OP should be banned from playing Eve as he has deliberately done in game things that have caused untold grief to other pllayers (in game) and in fact everyone who has ever egaged in PVP should also be banned, The use of in-game tactics is thoroughly unfair.

Everyone should be permabanned from Eve. Icluding me.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Gheng Kondur
Serva Fidem
#403 - 2011-10-17 09:13:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Gheng Kondur
Simple fact I knew before I joined the game, unless you are a goon, you can't trust a goon.

Not my style of play and not tactics I like, but hey, this is a sandbox and if they enjoy, they can carry on doing it. If I get scammed or ganked by a goon I only have myself to blame as I know what they are.

Mittani was a goon before he was elected and is still playing the same way, nothing unfair about that, it's democracy.

While I won't agree with all his suggestions and work on CSM, and don't agree with his outlook on the game, he is free to have his opinion and as voted in represent those views on CSM.

If you don't accept that, stand for CSM next time. From my perspective though anybody willing to stand as a politician automatically can't be trusted by default, but in a democratic process you have as much right as him to stand and represent a different view.

Meanwhile he can carry on being who he is and a goon, which is what he's always been.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#404 - 2011-10-17 09:14:23 UTC
Yuppers. He needs to go.

An insane man who needs a THERAPIST BADLY.

The ORIGINAL motive about Gallente Ice (blah blah blah) was valid, but now he has utterly lost his mind.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
malcovas Henderson
THoF
#405 - 2011-10-17 09:18:11 UTC
Just Another Toon wrote:



**update**

Thank you for the support - over 200 likes throughout the thread, keep them coming, and lets stand up to this. It should no longer be tolerated.

I guess 200 likes says your wrong



out of 2500 views thats potentially 2,300 dislikes if the button was available. Nuff said with your agument really don't you think?
Just Another Toon
Doomheim
#406 - 2011-10-17 09:21:34 UTC
malcovas Henderson wrote:
Just Another Toon wrote:



**update**

Thank you for the support - over 200 likes throughout the thread, keep them coming, and lets stand up to this. It should no longer be tolerated.

I guess 200 likes says your wrong



out of 2500 views thats potentially 2,300 dislikes if the button was available. Nuff said with your agument really don't you think?


LOL no it doesnt quite work like that, and see many have multiple posted...like how you try to derail the support through a useless post...keep trying..support is growing...
Zleon Leigh
#407 - 2011-10-17 09:28:29 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Scamming and Ganking are allowed. If you trust someone because of a Title you should stop doing that immediately.

Being an A$$hole is not grounds for removal from office, just ask any elected official anywhere at anytime. If you do not like him then ether find a real crime that is against the rules and provide evidence or wait till his term expires and vote him out next term.


Actually it is - that's why most elected positions have a recall provision tied to it. You never know when someone's going to let power go to their head. Problem is, as far as I know, CCP didn't put in a recall mechanism in the CSM structure - big mistake.

Incarna - Newest business example of mismanaged capital. CCP - Continuing to gank independent PI producers every day

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Goddess Ishtar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#408 - 2011-10-17 09:28:39 UTC
Just Another Toon wrote:
LOL no it doesnt quite work like that, and see many have multiple posted...like how you try to derail the support through a useless post...keep trying..support is growing...

Do you think after a certain number of people "like" your post that CCP will remove Mittens from the CSM?
Banroh
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#409 - 2011-10-17 09:29:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Banroh
Every community has to have one Silvio BerlusconiIdea
= universal balance
Just Another Toon
Doomheim
#410 - 2011-10-17 09:34:49 UTC
Goddess Ishtar wrote:
Just Another Toon wrote:
LOL no it doesnt quite work like that, and see many have multiple posted...like how you try to derail the support through a useless post...keep trying..support is growing...

Do you think after a certain number of people "like" your post that CCP will remove Mittens from the CSM?


I would believe that given the support CCP would launch an official investigation, or if people had given support The Mittani would step down..

Seems we need to have an 'Internal Affairs' type group.....
Kell Tarhun
Neptunis
#411 - 2011-10-17 09:42:59 UTC
+1

In my humble opinion all CSM idea should be kicked not just one representative
Lets start from Mittani...
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#412 - 2011-10-17 10:07:22 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
Just Another Toon wrote:

But you are happy to manipulate the game , such as attacking ice miners for your own gains.. Your words will not make any difference to peoples opinion of you.


I ran for CSM on a platform of explicitly being a manipulative bastard, because it takes someone like me to actually bring CCP around to reason.

So far, so good!


As much as I normally can't stand this emotionally-childish, self-aggrandising little doos, and his crew of (with certain exceptions) drooling, braying lemmings--so pitifully earnest, so loudly, nai'ively eager to be with the cool-kids! So. Utterly.Pitiful.--I have to agree here.

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#413 - 2011-10-17 10:08:13 UTC
Just Another Toon wrote:
The issue isnt wth the scamming or attacking whatever, its about players seeing these people as people they can trust! But they use this position of trust to abuse the game, such as scamming.
Where is the abuse?
How is it connected to their position of trust?
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Your represent everything that is bad about eve. Everything!
Really? What are they representing?
How is it bad for EVE?
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Oh that is rubbish, and you still represent Goons full stop, Goons are about scamming
…and with that knowledge in hand, how does Mittens abuse his position of trust in-game when he scams? He's doing exactly what everyone expects him to do — that's about as trustworthy as it gets.
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Do you think its right that the chair of the CSM, who is supposed to represent the playerbase, and act for the 'greater good' of the playerbase, uses his position to scam people in game?
Is he? You have yet to provide even the minutest shred of evidence that he does.

Where's the abuse?
How is it connected to his “position of trust”?
…in fact, why on earth do you believe that being CSM chair is a position of trust?
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I guess 200 likes says your wrong
No it does not. It means a very small minority of people — overall and in this thread — agrees with you. You might also want to note that only 39 people agree with your actual issue declaration, and these people are most likely then repeating that like in other posts you make. So all in all, that's 39 likes out of 2,700 views. That's pretty darn poor a result…

But sure, if you want to play the “likes” game, my 524 likes, Malc's 617 likes, not to mention Mitten's 1000+ likes says you're wrong… Most likely because you are unable to explain where the abuse is, how it is connected to this supposed position of trust, and, in general, what the problem is.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#414 - 2011-10-17 10:08:47 UTC
Just Another Toon wrote:
Goddess Ishtar wrote:
Just Another Toon wrote:
LOL no it doesnt quite work like that, and see many have multiple posted...like how you try to derail the support through a useless post...keep trying..support is growing...

Do you think after a certain number of people "like" your post that CCP will remove Mittens from the CSM?


I would believe that given the support CCP would launch an official investigation, or if people had given support The Mittani would step down..

Seems we need to have an 'Internal Affairs' type group.....


An official investigation of what? That you don't like him? You can't even post with your main...

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Prince Kobol
#415 - 2011-10-17 10:09:57 UTC
I think the Mittani and the Goons have done Eve proud by helping to remove the shackles of bondage from all those poor ice miners :)

Also as for people being scammed by any member of the goons, I call that Darwin's Theory of Evolution - Natural Selection Big smile
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#416 - 2011-10-17 10:10:03 UTC
Just Another Toon wrote:
I would believe that given the support CCP would launch an official investigation
What? Based on what 39 people think? LMAO, dream on. Lol

You need to actually present something for them to investigate first, and then build some support around that.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#417 - 2011-10-17 10:10:15 UTC
Cedille Mureau wrote:
Damn, how many times do I have to post this?
I don't know. Where is it from?

Moreover, where does it say that the CSM is somehow magically different from all other elected representative bodies in the history of mankind and that they must uphold JAT's rather unrealistic ideal? They represent society's interests — society, as always, being those who choose to vote.

Emphasizing the context of “the greatest good for the greater player base” doesn't lead anywhere until you show any kind of evidence that they're not doing that — what issues have they not addressed in the context of the greater good for the player base?. Also, as Malc points out, that is the work of the CSM — the issue here is their actions in-game, which have nothing to do with that non-sourced quote.
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The CSM is not a vehicle for massaging the egos of its members nor should it be the means whereby a minority of the game gets an unfair advantage.
So… where's the abuse?
What unfair advantage is being gained
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The point being that CCP set up the CSM to represent the whole of the EVE players base and not as has happened to further the aims of a minority who happen to get most of the CSM members elected.
What minority aims have been furthered over the majority's?
Who is the majority (and the minority, for that matter)?
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#418 - 2011-10-17 10:10:17 UTC
Ignore Tippia, as she is a proven liar. The evidence is in this very thread.

She has 525 likes, not 524.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Darkdell
The Sci-Clone Experiment
#419 - 2011-10-17 10:12:50 UTC
Just Another Toon wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
Renan Ruivo wrote:
The problem i have with Mittani as the head of the CSM is that he is a high-profile alliance leader, and i doubt that he would agree with changes for the sake of balance, if said changes were to somehow interfere with his own alliance, or disagree with changes that would affect his enemies more than it would his own ally. He cannot have an impartial opinion on most subjects he deals with as a CSM member.

But unfortunatly that is in the nature of the CSM election. Besides being chairman doesnt mean he gets the final word, only that he gets to pass it on. This CSM has some very good members, like seleene and white tree, and i trust their judgement.


This is foolish and uninformed. Goonswarm has one of the largest supercap fleets in the game, as well as some of the largest technetium holdings. I've vehemently advocated for nerfing both, loudly and in public.

You're welcome to spew your tinfoil theories though.


But you are happy to manipulate the game , such as attacking ice miners for your own gains.. Your words will not make any difference to peoples opinion of you.


Of course he's happy to manipulate the game, he's the leader of the largest aliance in EVE, if he wasn't trying to manipulate the game internally for the benefit of his members then he wouldn't be doing his job.

Eve is about manipulation, power has always been about manipulation. There is nothing to stop me or you deciding that we are going to wage a war of extreme prejudice against spider tanking imacus fleets. The major difference is when the Mittani decides to kill ice miners, for whatever reason, he has an army of players that trust his decisions so they go kill ice miners..or whatever.

If anything most would-be leaders in this game need to look at what The Mittani has achieved and see if there are any lessons they may learn on their chosen path to greatness.

It appears to me that many people miss the beauty and creative freedom of EVE.

And for the record I'm not a Goon or a Goon alt, and yes this is my main.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#420 - 2011-10-17 10:14:35 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Ignore Tippia, as she is a proven liar. The evidence is in this very thread.

She has 525 likes, not 524.
It was true when I wrote it…

Dammit, things happen so fast these days. Damn kids! Git off ma' lawn!! Cry