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[Discussion] Optimal ship for missions

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DeBingJos
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-10-02 12:01:14 UTC
I used to fly the tengu a lot, but because of the incomming nerf I'm looking for a new mission-ship. (Lv4 highsec)

Possible candidates (for me):

  • Raven -> Navy Raven or Golem
  • Maelstrom -> Vargur
  • Machariel


Do you have any other suggestions or comments?

Ungi maðurinn þekkir reglurnar, en gamli maðurinn þekkir undantekningarnar. The young man knows the rules, but the old man knows the exceptions.

Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#2 - 2012-10-02 12:03:35 UTC
Nightmare
Dominix Navy Issue
Rattlesnake
DeBingJos
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-10-02 12:05:31 UTC
Paikis wrote:
Nightmare
Dominix Navy Issue
Rattlesnake


Nightmare is a good option for me (gank above tank)

Navy domi and rattler have too much tank and too little dps for my taste.

Ungi maðurinn þekkir reglurnar, en gamli maðurinn þekkir undantekningarnar. The young man knows the rules, but the old man knows the exceptions.

Cryissa
Caldari Navy Operations
#4 - 2012-10-02 12:37:55 UTC
DeBingJos wrote:
Paikis wrote:
Nightmare
Dominix Navy Issue
Rattlesnake


Nightmare is a good option for me (gank above tank)

Navy domi and rattler have too much tank and too little dps for my taste.





I can get over 1400 dps combined with guns/drones on my Navy Domi

DeBingJos
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-10-02 13:16:26 UTC
Cryissa wrote:
DeBingJos wrote:
Paikis wrote:
Nightmare
Dominix Navy Issue
Rattlesnake


Nightmare is a good option for me (gank above tank)

Navy domi and rattler have too much tank and too little dps for my taste.





I can get over 1400 dps combined with guns/drones on my Navy Domi



Interesting, Can you share your fit?

Ungi maðurinn þekkir reglurnar, en gamli maðurinn þekkir undantekningarnar. The young man knows the rules, but the old man knows the exceptions.

Lord Ryan
True Xero
#6 - 2012-10-02 13:41:42 UTC
DeBingJos wrote:
I used to fly the tengu a lot, but because of the incomming nerf I'm looking for a new mission-ship. (Lv4 highsec)

Possible candidates (for me):

  • Raven -> Navy Raven or Golem
  • Maelstrom -> Vargur
  • Machariel


Do you have any other suggestions or comments?

Just got rid of my tengu.

Right now I use.
Golem
Vargur
Machariel.

The bottom two are awesome if you have good to maxed gunnery. The Mach is suppose to have more gank than the Var, not enough to matter. The Var can salvage as it goes, I will not come back in a noct. Better things to do. I just skip the loot in the Mach and lose considerable income. If you have the ISK and SP get one of each. Variety makes it so much more interesting.

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Lord Ryan
True Xero
#7 - 2012-10-02 13:44:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Ryan
I use a Paladin too. Wasn't bad when it was my only missioner. Try to rotate it with the 3 above and you'll pull out your hair. Don't even waist your time with Kronos. In fact unless you want to be an AFK drone pilot skip Gallente all together.


Word is AFK drone pilots are getting nerfed too.

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DeBingJos
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-10-02 14:07:46 UTC
Lord Ryan wrote:
I use a Paladin too. Wasn't bad when it was my only missioner. Try to rotate it with the 3 above and you'll pull out your hair. Don't even waist your time with Kronos. In fact unless you want to be an AFK drone pilot skip Gallente all together.


Word is AFK drone pilots are getting nerfed too.


I don't AFK so that is the least of my concern. Mission completion time is the deciding factor for me. I hate missioning so I want to spend as little time as possible. ( I just need isk because I suck at pvp Big smile)

Ungi maðurinn þekkir reglurnar, en gamli maðurinn þekkir undantekningarnar. The young man knows the rules, but the old man knows the exceptions.

Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#9 - 2012-10-02 14:58:46 UTC
Mach is already much, much better than a Tengu for all around use. If you want a single ship to shoot for you probably shouldn't look any further.

NDomi can indeed push out ridiculous damage and also has the side benefit of extremely good damage application -- but it's immobile doing it.

Nightmare has great damage projection but limited damage types. Otherwise solid though sloooow.

I'd say those are your top choices at the moment, though a CNR is always an option.
Zyella Stormborn
Green Seekers
#10 - 2012-10-02 15:19:41 UTC
Paladin
CNR
Nightmare
Legion
NDomi

Those have been the fastest for me so far. I do not have Minnie trained up enough for 4's.
-The Domi is exactly how Zhilia states it above. Great tank, Insane gank, sloow.
-Nightmare is some of the best gank but limited on damage type (but for my missions its not too big a deal), and weakest tank of the group.
-CNR is decent, but I think will be top of the food chain again after the update if they put in the proposed TC / TE changes.
-Legion... I do amazingly well in missions with my legion. I go through them rapidly, and rarely have any issue with them (sometimes ecms can be a bit annoying). But most don't seem to like it, so personal choice I guess.
-Paladin. I like my pally. its very similar to the Nighmare, although it has better tank and can salvage as it goes. Its not the greatest of the golems but I do feel its underrated.

Mach from all I have heard is the current king of the hill. Vargur also comes highly recommended. I can not pilot either though, so will keep my opinion to myself there. ;)

P.S.: I think people selling their Tengu's atm are making a mistake. I do not think it is going to be reduced in ability nearly as much as some people are complaining.

There is a special Hell for people like that, Right next to child molestors, and people that talk in the theater. ~Firefly

Songbird
#11 - 2012-10-02 16:09:45 UTC
do incursions in a nightmare - better isk , fly in a group
Aeril Malkyre
Knights of the Ouroboros
#12 - 2012-10-02 18:19:50 UTC
If your gun and shield skills are decent, the Machariel is a monster. I recently graduated from the Maelstrom, and the kill speed (and speed in general) is noticeable. She chews through ammo like a whale through krill, but it's a small price to pay for high performance. Tracking is good enough at distance to nail frigates as they burn closer, and even fighting in falloff the damage to harder targets is significant. XLSB II patches things up on the rare occasion there are enough targets to chew down the shield. But I was just running a mission the other night against Angels, and even simultaneously taking half a dozen Machs with a dozen Arch cruisers was only enough to make me mildly concerned.

I've never missioned elsewhere with it, but in Minmatar space, it kills things good.
Arec Bardwin
#13 - 2012-10-02 23:20:27 UTC
Navy Raven with Fury cruise is good all round, 800+ dps with implants, excluding drone dps. Fury cruise even get a boost in christmas patch if changes go through as they are now (dps and explosion radius boost). After the christmas patch one could get around 1000 dps with implants and 3 sentries. Not too shabby.

Downsides:
- need to cycle a target painter against sub BS targets.
- easy to get wasted missile volleys
stoicfaux
#14 - 2012-10-02 23:41:51 UTC
DeBingJos wrote:
I used to fly the tengu a lot, but because of the incomming nerf I'm looking for a new mission-ship. (Lv4 highsec)

Possible candidates (for me):

  • Raven -> Navy Raven or Golem
  • Maelstrom -> Vargur
  • Machariel


Do you have any other suggestions or comments?

MWD Mach is great for blitzing level 4s. The Mach's agility is a noticeable plus if you've ever had to wait on a wallowing pig of marauder to align.

Vargur is good if you want to loot/salvage, want an easy tank, etc..

Golem is Meh. I can't recommend it.

CNR is good if you can't be bothered to train up T2 guns.



Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

loki energon
Anasazi Wanderratter's Social Club
#15 - 2012-10-03 03:00:27 UTC
the upcoming buff to HAMs range could make my HAC alot more dangerous, and the PVE possibilties for my sacrilege look promising.

kill em all.

Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-10-03 03:08:02 UTC
there are only really 3 ships worth considering:

Nightmare
Machariel
Golem

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DeBingJos
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-10-03 06:32:28 UTC
Thanks for all the feedback.

I have decided to take the maelstrom -> Mach route. I can already fly the thing I just need to find the isk.

Ungi maðurinn þekkir reglurnar, en gamli maðurinn þekkir undantekningarnar. The young man knows the rules, but the old man knows the exceptions.

Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#18 - 2012-10-03 10:30:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Vilnius Zar
Note that the Mach (and all Angels ships) are probably next in line for a nerf, one of the DEVS apologised for making it OP in the first place and hinted at changes. Then, with the unguided missiles/TC buff in mind, the Golem might become a powerhouse. Right now it's annoying to use due to needing tons of TPs (that won't really change too much) and having range issues.

To answer the OP's question: That depends on where you generally do missions. If you're in Amarr space then a Nightmare or Paladin are great, outside Amarr space they "suck" due to damage types. Would you do mission in gall space then you're kinda forced to use pulses but when you load Scorch you mostly do EM damage which is crap against Serp. against Guristas it's gonna be crap whichever way you look at it because thermal is secondary damage type against Guristas and it's also your secondary so it'll be crap too.

Best allround atm is the Mach (but again, expect it to be nerfed) and the Vargur and possibly (with upcoming changes) the Golem, also you can't really go wrong with a CNR apart from it being boring as fck. If you stick to specific faction space then the answer will be different.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#19 - 2012-10-03 10:44:06 UTC
Vilnius Zar wrote:
Note that the Mach (and all Angels ships) are probably next in line for a nerf, one of the DEVS apologised for making it OP in the first place and hinted at changes.


Is it info from any dev blog or dev forum thread or just rumors?

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Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-10-03 10:55:53 UTC
DeBingJos wrote:
Thanks for all the feedback.

I have decided to take the maelstrom -> Mach route. I can already fly the thing I just need to find the isk.


The Mael's a good stepping-stone. Just remember that it tanks like a brick smokehouse and moves about as fast, but if you're willing to swap a full artillery rack and a full autocannon rack depending on the hostiles you're planning to face, it'll take on just about anything, from in-your-face Angels and mercs to 50-klick-kiting Guristas. (It's good to have some spare parts for mission-specific tank switch-outs as well.)

(And maybe a DC II until you get a feel for how the ship handles.)

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