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[Updated][Winter] Missile Rebalance 2.0 + Hurricane tweak

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#3981 - 2012-10-02 12:40:27 UTC
VERY well done ccp, this new round of proposed changes are much MUCH more palatable than the original proposals.....


....But then You new that...... you bid high, then bid lower to appear more reasonable.....

Remind me to never play poker with Fozzie!

:)
Joyana Dakota
#3982 - 2012-10-02 12:41:31 UTC
Onictus wrote:
Konski Zwis wrote:



lol - im wasted now about > 8 mc - becouse some stupid **** dont have any idea what to do with HM and drake blob ... lol . More stupid devs pls :) lets nerf everething ,and we will shoot to target at max 1 km :) and every weapon will do same dmg .



So Navigation doesn't apply to all ships? OR Battle-cruiser V, or Signature analysis, or any of the enginnering skills?

WHAAAAAAAAA


And how do those skills apply to missile damage / missile range ? They don't...
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3983 - 2012-10-02 12:42:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Onictus
Joyana Dakota wrote:
Onictus wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:
Bouh Revetoile wrote:
AF going under the guns of larger ship is not a problem of the drake only, every cruisers and above live under this threat. How is this a problem ?

other cruisers have the advantage of hitting stuff for full damage when it's not under their guns. they also have falloff. opst nerf, heavy missiles will hit frigates like a wet noodle, no matter how good a pilot you are.



LOL

Guess again.

You get in an AC cane I'll get in a ceptor or my dram and see how many full damage hits you get.


Thats the problem here dude... I dont have those fricking skills... I have Drake / Missile / Tengu skills... not fricking Cane skills... or guns, r lasers.... I do missiles...



So do I, and I also do hybrids, projectile and lasers T2 BS on down.

......and you are over a year older then this toon.

So take two weeks and train up medium ACs, Hurricane is OP right, and Loki (ironically my last Dram tackle).
Joyana Dakota wrote:


And how do those skills apply to missile damage / missile range ? They don't...


You guys complained till they took out the buffs they were giving in tandem. Tough, you get to train like everyone else..
Bouh Revetoile
In Wreck we thrust
#3984 - 2012-10-02 12:46:42 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
Bouh Revetoile wrote:
AF going under the guns of larger ship is not a problem of the drake only, every cruisers and above live under this threat. How is this a problem ?

other cruisers have the advantage of hitting stuff for full damage when it's not under their guns. they also have falloff. opst nerf, heavy missiles will hit frigates like a wet noodle, no matter how good a pilot you are.

Oh cool, missiles are different ! If you want your damage to be relative to your piloting skills, caldari can use hybrid turrets too. Missiles are no brainer reliant weapons, but when they don't work, you can't do anything. Don't believe you can always do something with turrets though, you would be disapointed... And when a frigate cought you for good, only the cane, with its neuts, can really get out of troubles. Though, all of them is vulnerable to TD kity frigates.

And precision missiles will be buffed. And YOU, missiles users, cry against the TD/TE/TC applyed to missiles. That would have made missiles the bane of frigates. Slam in your faces. You deserve it.
Joyana Dakota
#3985 - 2012-10-02 12:47:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Joyana Dakota
Onictus wrote:

So do I, and I also do hybrids, projectile and lasers T2 BS on down.

......and you are over a year older then this toon.

So take two weeks and train up medium ACs, Hurricane is OP right, and Loki (ironically my last Dram tackle).



Why the hell should I ? I like flying Caldari, but to hit it with a bazooka and nerf an entire tree of ships into the ground is a litte extreme. I do not want to be forced into training into another race... is CCP gonna reimburse my skill points ? Cause if they are, then I'l consider it. But I did not spend months and months of training Engineering and Missile skills to level 5, just to switch to a fricking Cane or what ever your flavor of the month is.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3986 - 2012-10-02 12:48:36 UTC
Bouh Revetoile wrote:


And precision missiles will be buffed. And YOU, missiles users, cry against the TD/TE/TC applyed to missiles. That would have made missiles the bane of frigates. Slam in your faces. You deserve it.



Pretty much, I was all excited to get a gank-a-thon torp/AC phoon and see what I could do with it. Bah.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#3987 - 2012-10-02 12:49:45 UTC
Onictus wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:
Bouh Revetoile wrote:
AF going under the guns of larger ship is not a problem of the drake only, every cruisers and above live under this threat. How is this a problem ?

other cruisers have the advantage of hitting stuff for full damage when it's not under their guns. they also have falloff. opst nerf, heavy missiles will hit frigates like a wet noodle, no matter how good a pilot you are.



LOL

Guess again.

You get in an AC cane I'll get in a ceptor or my dram and see how many full damage hits you get.

except not every frigate is an interceptor but every frigate can be blapped with turrets.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3988 - 2012-10-02 12:51:29 UTC
Joyana Dakota wrote:
Onictus wrote:

So do I, and I also do hybrids, projectile and lasers T2 BS on down.

......and you are over a year older then this toon.

So take two weeks and train up medium ACs, Hurricane is OP right, and Loki (ironically my last Dram tackle).



Why the hell should I ? I like flying Caldari, but to hit it with a bazooka and nerf an entire tree of ships into the ground is a litte extreme. I do not want to be forced into training into another race... is CCP gonna reimburse my skill points ? Cause if they are, then I'l consider it. But I did not spend months and months of training Engineering and Missile skills to level 5, just to switch to a fricking Cane or what ever is your flavor of the month.



They aren't "nerfing them into the ground" they are taking them out of the realm of battleships and putting them back on a level with you know battlecruisers.

Because you had to compare HMLs to BATTLESHIP weapons to find similar performance before.

I like Drones, you don't see me whining that I can't use my Domi, or Ishtar, or Gila, or Ishkur or Myrm for EVERY damn thing. I can't they don't always work. So I say to you again.

Tough noodles.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3989 - 2012-10-02 12:52:39 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:

except not every frigate is an interceptor but every frigate can be blapped with turrets.


Every frigate gets hit with missiles if its in range. EVERY volley.
Joyana Dakota
#3990 - 2012-10-02 12:55:40 UTC
Onictus wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:

except not every frigate is an interceptor but every frigate can be blapped with turrets.


Every frigate gets hit with missiles if its in range. EVERY volley.


No they dont, my Manti gets hit with 10 damage from a drake because its too fast for the missiles to hit it. The closer I get, the harder it gets to hit it ever more... I hit another Drake with 2200 volley...
MisterAl tt1
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#3991 - 2012-10-02 12:56:05 UTC
Too lazy to check through all the math, but overall 2nd version of changes looks much more interesting.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3992 - 2012-10-02 12:59:39 UTC
Joyana Dakota wrote:
Onictus wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:

except not every frigate is an interceptor but every frigate can be blapped with turrets.


Every frigate gets hit with missiles if its in range. EVERY volley.


No they dont, my Manti gets hit with 10 damage from a drake because its too fast for the missiles to hit it. The closer I get, the harder it gets to hit it ever more... I hit another Drake with 2200 volley...



Sooooooooo you just said it gets hit.

......and why doesn't the drake just warp off, because you'd get eaten up buy drones in point range. I've done it, recently, and I ate a bomb first.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#3993 - 2012-10-02 13:05:26 UTC
Onictus wrote:
Joyana Dakota wrote:
Onictus wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:

except not every frigate is an interceptor but every frigate can be blapped with turrets.


Every frigate gets hit with missiles if its in range. EVERY volley.


No they dont, my Manti gets hit with 10 damage from a drake because its too fast for the missiles to hit it. The closer I get, the harder it gets to hit it ever more... I hit another Drake with 2200 volley...



Sooooooooo you just said it gets hit.

......and why doesn't the drake just warp off, because you'd get eaten up buy drones in point range. I've done it, recently, and I ate a bomb first.

confirming that frigate pilots are too stupid to kill drones.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3994 - 2012-10-02 13:07:41 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
Onictus wrote:
Joyana Dakota wrote:
Onictus wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:

except not every frigate is an interceptor but every frigate can be blapped with turrets.


Every frigate gets hit with missiles if its in range. EVERY volley.


No they dont, my Manti gets hit with 10 damage from a drake because its too fast for the missiles to hit it. The closer I get, the harder it gets to hit it ever more... I hit another Drake with 2200 volley...



Sooooooooo you just said it gets hit.

......and why doesn't the drake just warp off, because you'd get eaten up buy drones in point range. I've done it, recently, and I ate a bomb first.

confirming that frigate pilots are too stupid to kill drones.



To be fair it would take like 20 minutes per drone to kill a hobgoblin with torps.
Joyana Dakota
#3995 - 2012-10-02 13:08:35 UTC
Onictus wrote:
Joyana Dakota wrote:
Onictus wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:

except not every frigate is an interceptor but every frigate can be blapped with turrets.


Every frigate gets hit with missiles if its in range. EVERY volley.


No they dont, my Manti gets hit with 10 damage from a drake because its too fast for the missiles to hit it. The closer I get, the harder it gets to hit it ever more... I hit another Drake with 2200 volley...



Sooooooooo you just said it gets hit.

......and why doesn't the drake just warp off, because you'd get eaten up buy drones in point range. I've done it, recently, and I ate a bomb first.


Because with this nerf the drake cant warp off cause it's being scambled and it couldn't get out of range cause it received a range nerf... So no warping off... and my Drones got killed by a smart bomb.
Nagarythe Tinurandir
Einheit X-6
#3996 - 2012-10-02 13:10:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Nagarythe Tinurandir
Joyana Dakota wrote:
Onictus wrote:

So do I, and I also do hybrids, projectile and lasers T2 BS on down.

......and you are over a year older then this toon.

So take two weeks and train up medium ACs, Hurricane is OP right, and Loki (ironically my last Dram tackle).



Why the hell should I ? I like flying Caldari, but to hit it with a bazooka and nerf an entire tree of ships into the ground is a litte extreme. I do not want to be forced into training into another race... is CCP gonna reimburse my skill points ? Cause if they are, then I'l consider it. But I did not spend months and months of training Engineering and Missile skills to level 5, just to switch to a fricking Cane or what ever your flavor of the month is.


random fun fact: caldari isn't all about missiles.
random fun fact the second: it is never to late to lern new skills and beeing able to do new stuff. even if you do not want to crosstrain.


edit: your last post about range&stuff; what?
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3997 - 2012-10-02 13:12:56 UTC
Joyana Dakota wrote:
Onictus wrote:
Joyana Dakota wrote:
Onictus wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:

except not every frigate is an interceptor but every frigate can be blapped with turrets.


Every frigate gets hit with missiles if its in range. EVERY volley.


No they dont, my Manti gets hit with 10 damage from a drake because its too fast for the missiles to hit it. The closer I get, the harder it gets to hit it ever more... I hit another Drake with 2200 volley...



Sooooooooo you just said it gets hit.

......and why doesn't the drake just warp off, because you'd get eaten up buy drones in point range. I've done it, recently, and I ate a bomb first.


Because with this nerf the drake cant warp off cause it's being scambled and it couldn't get out of range cause it received a range nerf... So no warping off... and my Drones got killed by a smart bomb.



Couldn't get out of range?

Even with a 20% hit and no rigs a drake would shoot 64km, and I doubt very highly you got away with a 10 point hit. Bombers have a BIG signature for fig to start with, and on top of that your veloicity means you have a micro warp. So from a 1000mm sig that bomber gets basically THREE vollied , even faster becasue to stay in point range you are only doing about 65% of your top speed in a 7500m orbit.

HMLs currently lose 12dps per launcher at that speed.

Sow me another tale please, I'll post the missile calulator for you if you want.
Joyana Dakota
#3998 - 2012-10-02 13:13:12 UTC
Nagarythe Tinurandir wrote:
Joyana Dakota wrote:
Onictus wrote:

So do I, and I also do hybrids, projectile and lasers T2 BS on down.

......and you are over a year older then this toon.

So take two weeks and train up medium ACs, Hurricane is OP right, and Loki (ironically my last Dram tackle).



Why the hell should I ? I like flying Caldari, but to hit it with a bazooka and nerf an entire tree of ships into the ground is a litte extreme. I do not want to be forced into training into another race... is CCP gonna reimburse my skill points ? Cause if they are, then I'l consider it. But I did not spend months and months of training Engineering and Missile skills to level 5, just to switch to a fricking Cane or what ever your flavor of the month is.


random fun fact: caldari isn't all about missiles.
random fun fact the second: it is never to late to lern new skills and beeing able to do new stuff. even if you do not want to crosstrain.


edit: your last post about range&stuff; what?


It's being forced into it that bothers me. Cross training because you have the choice is something else. Now you're being forced to train something else because what you do now in your ship becomes useless.
Silk daShocka
Greasy Hair Club
#3999 - 2012-10-02 13:13:31 UTC
So I guess us hurricane pilots should flood this thread with QQ not enough pewpew complaints to have the cane nerf lessened.
Joyana Dakota
#4000 - 2012-10-02 13:14:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Joyana Dakota
Onictus wrote:
Couldn't get out of range?

Even with a 20% hit and no rigs a drake would shoot 64km, and I doubt very highly you got away with a 10 point hit. Bombers have a BIG signature for fig to start with, and on top of that your veloicity means you have a micro warp. So from a 1000mm sig that bomber gets basically THREE vollied , even faster becasue to stay in point range you are only doing about 65% of your top speed in a 7500m orbit.

HMLs currently lose 12dps per launcher at that speed.

Sow me another tale please, I'll post the missile calulator for you if you want.


Right now yes... not after the nerf... jeeeez

and I only have an after burner fitted... not a MWD