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Apex Bex
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#1 - 2011-10-04 03:22:46 UTC
Can they be used in HiSec, like outside station? I'm getting mixed information.

Disciple of Bob
Goose99
#2 - 2011-10-04 03:26:02 UTC
They fire, yes.
Apex Bex
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#3 - 2011-10-04 03:37:50 UTC
OK then, to clarify... will they lock onto neutral structures like the NPC Station and station guns?

Disciple of Bob
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#4 - 2011-10-04 06:05:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
They will hit the nearest target that has aggressed you (and destructible structures in missions).

Though feel free to test in on the test server.
Dark Pangolin
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#5 - 2011-10-04 17:15:13 UTC
FYI the nearest target to have aggressed you can also be a drone as far as I know. Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the missiles consider the 5 drones around you 5 individual targets with the same priority as the ship that launched those drones...
Tamiya Sarossa
Resistance is Character Forming
#6 - 2011-10-05 01:01:21 UTC
Dark Pangolin wrote:
FYI the nearest target to have aggressed you can also be a drone as far as I know. Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the missiles consider the 5 drones around you 5 individual targets with the same priority as the ship that launched those drones...


Yea, exactly. Except higher priority really, since as you mentioned they're generally closer than the launching ship. The closest aggressing object is rarely what you want your missiles to be shooting, but when it is, the results are beautiful. Nothing like ramming a falcon off alignment while pounding it to pieces with F.O.F's to make you realize that Caldari can be a beautiful PvP race.
Toshiro GreyHawk
#7 - 2011-10-07 12:04:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Toshiro GreyHawk
Yeah, they can be really useful if you've been jammed - but - you really need to do some maneuvering with your ship so that they don't engage things like a hostile station in a mission, instead of the things actually shooting at you. If they've picked out such a target to shoot at the only way you're going to get them off of it - is to get away from that target.

Other stupid targets they may pick could be anything. I've had automatic targeting devices lock onto hostile gas clouds ... I also accidentally shot at one of my own ships once and the FOF's would consistently go after that friendly ship that shot at them every damn time from then on.

*shrug*

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Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#8 - 2011-10-07 13:14:40 UTC
You can use F.o.F missiles in highsec without concondocken Smile , quite handy against ec drones. You can also try to force jamming ships away by flying close to them and using fof missiles.
Satav
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2011-10-07 20:40:55 UTC
Yes you can fire them......... lol.

However don't use FoF's in high sec. bad idea.
Tamiya Sarossa
Resistance is Character Forming
#10 - 2011-10-09 18:09:30 UTC
Satav wrote:

However don't use FoF's in high sec. bad idea.


I don't believe there's any way for F.O.F's to get you concorded (if something has aggressed you you're generally good to shoot it), so there's nothing particularly wrong with using them in highsec. But given :CCP: I wouldn't be surprised if someone proves me wrong.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#11 - 2011-10-10 16:53:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Khanh'rhh
Tamiya Sarossa wrote:
Satav wrote:

However don't use FoF's in high sec. bad idea.


I don't believe there's any way for F.O.F's to get you concorded (if something has aggressed you you're generally good to shoot it), so there's nothing particularly wrong with using them in highsec. But given :CCP: I wouldn't be surprised if someone proves me wrong.

FOF missiles, like drones, can never auto-target in a manner which gets you concorded, OR begins aggression. i.e. if a salvage ninja goes red in your mission, they will not shoot it.

They're more or less the same targeting AI, and FOF missiles and drones will tend to engage the same target. Quite useful in a Rattlesnake if you're jammed. I've personally tested this extensively in an AFK Gila.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

grumpyguts1
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#12 - 2011-10-10 20:38:34 UTC
I use them all the time in HS in missions.. never had any problems.. if you worried about triggers, keep moving toward the ships you want to kill..
Jahso Kuhl
United Space Corp with Honorable Intersts
#13 - 2011-10-16 08:52:28 UTC
But why do FoF's attack structures?
Structures may be owned by a foe but they can never be a foe.

i would suggest to change that mechanic: FoF should only attack targets who has aggressed me in any way.
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2011-10-16 10:16:07 UTC
Jahso Kuhl wrote:
But why do FoF's attack structures?
Structures may be owned by a foe but they can never be a foe.

i would suggest to change that mechanic: FoF should only attack targets who has aggressed me in any way.


some structures can shoot you
Taram Caldar
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
#15 - 2011-10-16 17:40:22 UTC
They work fine. They're of limited use in PVE but I suppose you could experiment with them. AFK missioning in a Gila or Snake could work but other than that for PVE they're 'ok' at best.

For PVP I always carry them if I'm in a missile platform. As mentioned before they can be extremely useful at taking out enemy ships that think they're safe because you're jammed. I've killed several falcons with FOF's who got cocky and stayed around too long and let me bump them off alignment ;)

"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country.  He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2011-10-17 03:14:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Herping yourDerp
Apex Bex wrote:
OK then, to clarify... will they lock onto neutral structures like the NPC Station and station guns?


i think so
grumpyguts1
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#17 - 2011-10-17 06:04:29 UTC
No. Only some structures in missions