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Dec Shield - End of the Second Era

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The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
#81 - 2012-09-28 23:37:13 UTC
Everything Tolene said is true, and I agree with you. We will try to get the matter resolved asap. In the mean time I just needed victims to point to and say "Look, your game mechanics are allowing me to do completely unfair things to these people". CCP responds faster when they have public pressure on them to perform.

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Kc Decartes
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#82 - 2012-09-29 04:07:29 UTC
Good Day Nublitz,

I am KcD, and you have deced me, so we are deced together, for now and all time, which is grand, and good. I felt I should wave my hand as/in a gesture that represents the fun we will no doubt have together. It makes me happy, and my belly tickle, just in anticipation of the inevitable pleasure we will induce from ourselves, based on the experience we encounter via this hoopla.

I look forward to working with you, and yours, and the crew of misfits you believe make your organization dreamy.

With warm regards,

KcD

D.F.C.S.
VegasMirage
Blank-Space
Northern Coalition.
#83 - 2012-09-29 11:48:44 UTC  |  Edited by: VegasMirage
Iam Widdershins wrote:
Meh, we're more likely to end up at war with you guys. It's not going to be a huge difference either way tbh. We joined DS last time around and didn't see jack **** for like 3 weeks.


Widders you did it wrong cuz my crew got like 20 bill in kills with Dec Shield (we had this convo already)

and yes this "tarp" Zerg set up can easily be translated into an infinite source of tears

combined with my corp jumping tactics this can be a devastating strategy

edit: inb4 here are the reasons why you and your crew didn't kill anything when in Dec Shield

editedit: inb4 Jita camping isn't an option (l33tsauce do it differently)

no more games... it's real this time!!!
Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis
#84 - 2012-09-29 12:55:02 UTC
VegasMirage wrote:
Iam Widdershins wrote:
Meh, we're more likely to end up at war with you guys. It's not going to be a huge difference either way tbh. We joined DS last time around and didn't see jack **** for like 3 weeks.


Widders you did it wrong cuz my crew got like 20 bill in kills with Dec Shield (we had this convo already)

and yes this "tarp" Zerg set up can easily be translated into an infinite source of tears

combined with my corp jumping tactics this can be a devastating strategy

edit: inb4 here are the reasons why you and your crew didn't kill anything when in Dec Shield

editedit: inb4 Jita camping isn't an option (l33tsauce do it differently)

You inb4'd me... so why do you even ask :P Not trying to be elitist about the Jita thing, our guys just can't stand it most of the time.

P.S. your machariel fakemail is gone now \o/

Lobbying for your right to delete your signature
Karah Serrigan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#85 - 2012-09-29 13:32:08 UTC
Tolene wrote:

The Zerg Overmind wrote:

Fine you say, so they deserve that. But these aren't just normal wars we're holding over them, these are outgoing wars. And alliance with an outgoing war CANNOT recruit another corporation to the alliance, ever again. If any corporations ever leave that alliance, they'll also have outgoing wars. A corporation with an outgoing war CANNOT join an alliance, ever again.


This is the only real drawback of a perma war. But it can be easily bypassed by creating a sacrificial corp and joining it in order to join null sec ally. After you get bored you can just disband the corp and join your old one as wars don't follow players.

On the other hand c0ven can now wardec their null sec enemies without any remorse. Our war with tribal band was a nice change of pace. We had tons of fun and can now say that null sec is a lot better place for pvp Big smile

On the topic of mechanics one simple change would solve the issue and made the wardecs work as intended. In case of mutual war both sides should be flagged as aggressors. Both the aggressor and defender have to make a conscious decision about declaring war on each other. Only way to get out of war would be surrender or disband for both sides of the conflict which in my opinion would make the system fair.

Have to correct one thing:
Alliances with outgoing wars can still accept corporations. Ive tested this the last 2 days. However, corps with outgoing wars cant apply to alliances.
I support the change, that in a mutual war both sides should be counted aggressors though.

And here you see the OCD plagued part of me whining that all these wardecs make the war history look bad, even with no interactions in those wars :(((
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
#86 - 2012-09-29 23:45:50 UTC
Karah Serrigan wrote:
Tolene wrote:

The Zerg Overmind wrote:

Fine you say, so they deserve that. But these aren't just normal wars we're holding over them, these are outgoing wars. And alliance with an outgoing war CANNOT recruit another corporation to the alliance, ever again. If any corporations ever leave that alliance, they'll also have outgoing wars. A corporation with an outgoing war CANNOT join an alliance, ever again.


This is the only real drawback of a perma war. But it can be easily bypassed by creating a sacrificial corp and joining it in order to join null sec ally. After you get bored you can just disband the corp and join your old one as wars don't follow players.

On the other hand c0ven can now wardec their null sec enemies without any remorse. Our war with tribal band was a nice change of pace. We had tons of fun and can now say that null sec is a lot better place for pvp Big smile

On the topic of mechanics one simple change would solve the issue and made the wardecs work as intended. In case of mutual war both sides should be flagged as aggressors. Both the aggressor and defender have to make a conscious decision about declaring war on each other. Only way to get out of war would be surrender or disband for both sides of the conflict which in my opinion would make the system fair.

Have to correct one thing:
Alliances with outgoing wars can still accept corporations. Ive tested this the last 2 days. However, corps with outgoing wars cant apply to alliances.
I support the change, that in a mutual war both sides should be counted aggressors though.

And here you see the OCD plagued part of me whining that all these wardecs make the war history look bad, even with no interactions in those wars :(((

I stand corrected. I just tested this myself, and yes an alliance with outgoing wardecs can accept corporations. I'm not sure when this changed, or if I was always crazy. I'm updating information to reflect this new understanding

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Alx Warlord
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#87 - 2012-09-30 03:59:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Alx Warlord
Well, if this is a know issue, and some people are abusing it, ( Despite the fact that this is really fun) , there should be some disciplinary actions over the abusers sooner or latter... maybe some acc bans? and tears?

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#88 - 2012-09-30 04:10:29 UTC
Alx Warlord wrote:
Well, if this is a know issue, and some people are abusing it, ( Despite the fact that this is really fun) , there should be some disciplinary actions over the abusers sooner or latter... maybe some acc bans? and tears?

Account bans for literally pressing a button that was created and implemented by CCP for the sole purpose of being pressed?

Also, this "feature" is completely intentional. It's a high-sec pvp nerf at its core, and therefore has been on CCP's agenda for the past couple of years. The only thing that will change anything in this case is public outcry, but I'm not holding out hope, considering that they haven't even budged from their proposed Crimewatch designs.

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The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
#89 - 2012-10-01 21:59:56 UTC
Apparently if you've got too many wardecs the UI breaks and you can't scroll to the bottom of the menu to accept the corp:
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1210/2012.10.01.21.14.23.jpg

luckily you can still use the keyboard to blindly hit accept :)

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Emerald Decartes
Syndicate Holdings
#90 - 2012-10-02 02:28:00 UTC
The Zerg Overmind wrote:
Apparently if you've got too many wardecs the UI breaks and you can't scroll to the bottom of the menu to accept the corp:
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1210/2012.10.01.21.14.23.jpg

luckily you can still use the keyboard to blindly hit accept :)


Sff, cool story bro.

Maybe if you had something more productive to do with your time, instead of investing your time into this joke organization, which as far as I can tell employees tactics that only involve spam mailing people as a deterrent to a war dec... which is ofc ineffective... you'd be much more happy not only in eve, but no doubt in rl as well...

I for one enjoy the daily mails from "dec shield ambassador 1-5." It lets me know that you're still trying... very hard.

Thank you for allowing us to become involved in the plotted down fall of your lame idea, practice, and ofc existence.

Cya around and kind regards,

ED

D.F.C.S. no TRUST in mankind no confidence IN goverment there will never be enduring FREEDOM.
Innar Mong
Fourth District Sentinels
#91 - 2012-10-02 02:51:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Innar Mong
Dear CCP,

This is broken.

In honor of you, I have wrote u a peomz that wurk just like the new wardec systim:

Roses are Red
Bacon is red
Poems are Hard
Bacon.

sinsearlie,
--Mong


edited: for speeling
Enderw Wiggin
Syndicate Holdings
#92 - 2012-10-02 04:25:11 UTC
Innar Mong wrote:
Dear CCP,

This is broken.

In honor of you, I have wrote u a peomz that wurk just like the new wardec systim:

Roses are Red
Bacon is red
Poems are Hard
Bacon.

sinsearlie,
--Mong


edited: for speeling



Lulz....

"There must be some way out of here.... said the joker to the thief."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1__dINxiXU

ICU
Juda Decartes
Syndicate Holdings
#93 - 2012-10-02 05:43:36 UTC
FREE BUMP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1__dINxiXU

Collectively we are but mist.

It made me happy to see the initiative was responding once again.

Death to the less than.

Juda
Oracle of Delphi
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#94 - 2012-10-02 05:58:26 UTC
Juda Decartes wrote:
FREE BUMP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1__dINxiXU

Collectively we are but mist.

It made me happy to see the initiative was responding once again.

Death to the less than.

Juda


Blessed is your adventure. Go forth and destroy the known, and as they knew each other, and how they interact, it is your ability to know them, and what they do.

Delphi see's all and blesses the Decartes as they slowly undertake in the near insane notion of reconciling all within this a group. . . . .
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
#95 - 2012-10-02 13:33:49 UTC
Emerald Decartes wrote:

Sff, cool story bro.

Maybe if you had something more productive to do with your time, instead of investing your time into this joke organization, which as far as I can tell employees tactics that only involve spam mailing people as a deterrent to a war dec... which is ofc ineffective... you'd be much more happy not only in eve, but no doubt in rl as well...

I for one enjoy the daily mails from "dec shield ambassador 1-5." It lets me know that you're still trying... very hard.

Thank you for allowing us to become involved in the plotted down fall of your lame idea, practice, and ofc existence.

Cya around and kind regards,

ED

Quoted for tears. umad bro?

I'm not sure what you mean by spam mails. I can only assume you're referring to all the notifications you get of your wars being copied and ended by various entities that pass in/out of the alliance. The ambassador corps have been a highly effective program at obtaining wars from alliances. Any notification you get about one of them means we obtained another few wars.

And if you hadn't noticed, we're trying to be taken out by CCP. We want wardecs fixed much more than you do, as we're actually investing isk, time, and energy towards solving the problem:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1969901

But you can still be mad, I know that feel bro

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Arame Azur
Eat My Shorts Inc.
Almost Competent
#96 - 2012-10-02 13:34:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Arame Azur
Ok, I see it like this:
Carebear Corp 1 with Wardec join Dec Shield, Dec Shield set the war mutual. Carebear Corp 1 leaves Dec Shield with 1 week mutual war on his A*s. Carebear Corp 2 with Wardec join Dec Shield, Dec Shield set the war mutual. Carebear Corp 2 leaves Dec Shield with 1 week mutual wars on his A*s. And so on ...

My Point of View: Free targets for all "trapped griefers" you call us

And the point is: the Carebears produce nothing, no goods to fly the trade hubs, no Missionrunning etc ...
I prefer the possibility to wardec much more Corps and Alliances in Hisec to get more Targets into Dec Shield Twisted

A grand conspiracy of the Goons * ROFL *

Free Wardecs for all \o/
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
#97 - 2012-10-02 13:47:28 UTC
It's true. But if you were all looking for easy targets to prey on you'd be at war with Ivy League. Which would help me a lot to consolidate all your wars against them. Makes it a lot easier to gather them up.

I don't deny that it's getting worse and worse for people bringing new wars to us (since they have to endure something like 85 wars at the time of typing this - up from 60 some wars a week ago). But it's unlikely they're running freighters between Jita/Amarr while at war anyways.

I'd be interested to hear any good ganking stories against our people :)

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Karah Serrigan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#98 - 2012-10-02 14:12:10 UTC
Notifications
what are you doing
notifications
stahp.

This is getting mildly annoying, when will CCP intervene?
lanyaie
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#99 - 2012-10-02 14:30:36 UTC
my alt corp got kicked out of decshield...notifications went up by quite alot

Spaceprincess

People who put passwords on char bazaar Eveboards are the worst.
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
#100 - 2012-10-03 10:13:47 UTC
Well here's another unintended consequence of the broken rules.

1.) A corp offers a surrender to us for 70mil isk
2.) I drop a corp out of Dec Shield
3.) Accept their surrender to the alliance, get the 70mil isk
4.) Accept dropped corp back into alliance, resume war

Surrender mechanics are also made pointless by the current ruleset, but thanks for the isk \o/

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