Science & Industry

I was thinking of the new mining buff's and it seems that ship designing is not keeping pace with improvements, now that we can fit lots of ore the problem is moving it, freighters of course....not all of us can fly much less afford one and even if i could i won't be because too much ganking of freighters otherwise a smaller faster ship say a t2 industrial could fit lots of compressed ore, or just make compressing ore at stations an option. so many orders for veld...so little time, sigh.

The way I see it you have a load of options already available to you, It's just up to you which to take.

* Refine the ore and move it, it'll take up much less space.
* Get a Rorqual and compress it
* It sounds like you are rolling around filling veld buy orders? why not just put a sell order up in your system and let them come to you?

Edit: Agree with Paikis, -1

That's what i do is refine, sell trit. Compressing would make it simpler, if this is not a good ideal then why?

No. Buy a freighter. Hisec has disadvantages, not being able to compress ore is one of them.

Also, 900k m3 of veld is 9 million units. At current buy order prices (per Eve-Central, in Jita) of ~17 ISK per unit, that's 153 million ISK, or approximately 1/10 of the ISK-tank of a freighter (i.e. it's not worth ganking you).


edit, if you're selling Trit (~6 ISK per unit) rather than the veld ... 90m trit per run is 540m, or about half your ISK tank (i.e. it's STILL not worth ganking you).

You want to compress the trit? or compress veldspar in high sec?

either way is not needed and will do nothing to improve game play.

Such a change would make logistics easier for everyone not just you. This would quickly result in dropping prices to the point where profits are right back to where they are now. Freighter full of high volume low value minerals such as trit do not get ganked. It is the freighters carrying over 2 bil worth of cargo that get ganked. And even then not if the gankers need to bring a freighter or 20 indys to haul the loot.

If you think moving minerals around in high sec in difficult go live in deep null for a while. moving stuff in high sec is very easy and very low risk. Why don't you just ask for teleportation. One click and all you goods are instantly in Jita.

Sorry no hello kitty online here where everything is done for you at a single mouse click.. This game is not supposed to be that easy. A challenging game is a fun game. Making one of the simplest game activities even more simple would not in any way improve EVE.

Ah,

So many flaws with your logic, I don't know where to begin.

First, and people can correct me if I'm wrong (which i probably am) but the mining barge changes didn't dramatically change how much m3/hour a particular barge can mine. Largely it made it easier for some barges with large ore bays to stay in the belts for longer stretches.

Second, a freighter full of veldspar (take an obelisk at all 5's) will hold about 160mil worth of Veld (as others have pointed out). you aren't going to get ganked for that size of cargo.

Third, lets say you want to use a T2 indy to haul compressed veldspar instead. A cargo fit occator is going to hold about 255mil worth of compressed veld. and it doesnt have that great of a tank, so it is likely a higher gank target than the freighter. Especially with that nice 20sec align time.

You can't fly a freighter? If you can fly a T2 industrial you are generally maybe a week from a freighter. So that argument doesnt work.

If you cant fly a freighter, you likely dont have the ore compression skills needed to a rorqual (or any future ore compressing ship).

Given the Rorquals cost and restrictions, do you really think a high sec version would be more affordable than a freighter?

I've seen others in this forum already talk about the compression costs and how it doesnt really make it worthwhile in high sec due to low profit margins.

I could probably go on, but I'm bored now.

Given all of your previous replies a no was obviously not sufficient...

You are correct Piugattuk, if you have an idea and you like it, hash it out and get feedback. You will get some semi or fully hostile responses, but I tend to ignore those and listen to the others. ;)

...why are you not saving your ISK to buy a freighter? It's not cheap (about 1.5B ISK), but it's not *that* much, and you can skill into one in a month or so. Why the agony? Just go with a freighter and use the Orca for its intended purpose. There's no need for an ore-compression feature in hisec -- which is where the Orca is intended to run. Nullsec needs ore compression, and that's what the Rorqual is for.

If you don't want to spend the time skilling for a freighter (if you're a miner or a trader, you *need* a freighter), then just pay Red Frog to move the ore for you.

No agony, i am skilled for a freighter now, the only reason i dont buy a freighter is this tardness child behavior like people freighter bumping just so they grief you keeping you from warping off just for lolz not even a gank attempt i mean if they're that bored maybe they should quit, i mean how pointless a life must be if that is all you have to get happy about you got guys like james 315 who go so far with immature behavior they even build a website dedicated to bumping and much more going on making me not want to invest anymore into the game but i mean really why are so many obsessed with miners i really dont get it, if its bots they hate fine hate on CCP for failing to properly address that, understand i do not really get bothered because i take precautions. Anyway this went further then intended.