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Eve's Biggest Failing, and it's Greatest Missed Opportunity
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Mister Crispy
AC Enterprises
#41 - 2011-10-16 22:57:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Mister Crispy
I sort of agree. The first part of the OP would add more interesting crap to look at. And who doesn't want that?

The second part would add a bunch of complex crap that fleets would have to take into consideration. And well, "complex stuff that players need to take into consideration" is what makes spreadsheets in space, spreadsheets in space.

I feel that for gameplay purposes, ships would have to keep handling less like real spaceships, and more like submarines/airplanes, though. For example, for a starfighter (X-Wing) to handle like a fighter jet (f-14/SU-27/whatever), the maneuvering thrusters would have to be 8x more powerful than the main thruster. That would just look too weird.

Also, black holes are different than OP thinks. If the Sun magically turned into a black hole, the planets'/comets' orbits wouldn't change at all.
Paragon Renegade
Sebiestor Tribe
#42 - 2011-10-16 23:16:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Paragon Renegade
Mister Crispy wrote:
I
Also, black holes are different than OP thinks. If the Sun magically turned into a black hole, the planets'/comets' orbits wouldn't change at all.


A black hole the size of the sun would eviscerate the whole solar system, the amount of gravity (Density really) per M3 in a black hole is much higher than in a star, and the planets would need to orbit farther/faster to stay in orbit. The planets would spiral in.

The pie is a tautology
Nemesis Factor
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#43 - 2011-10-16 23:16:53 UTC
Paragon Renegade wrote:
Nemesis Factor wrote:
Paragon Renegade wrote:
Ohai

-When at FTL speeds, the Blueshift & Redshift are only visible at "The end" of "The Warp Tunnel", when they should be visible (As Greenshift & Yellowshift) all the way to in front of the ship, since the space directly in front of the ship is still approaching extremely quickly, with the rear leaving equally quickly. (Simply put, the whole screen in front of your ship should be blindingly-bright blue, and behind you brilliant red)


I always figured in real FTL flight you would not be able to see anything behind you since light would not be fast enough to hit your camera at all.

But what do I know.


Space would be red-shifted, you wouldn't see any stars or anyhting like that.



So I was kinda right, just instead of black, you see red?
Paragon Renegade
Sebiestor Tribe
#44 - 2011-10-16 23:18:09 UTC
Nemesis Factor wrote:



So I was kinda right, just instead of black, you see red?


Yeah, you were pretty spot-on :)

The pie is a tautology
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#45 - 2011-10-16 23:18:32 UTC
eve already has black holes

the forums, for example

Twitter: @EVEAndski

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Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
#46 - 2011-10-16 23:33:21 UTC
Actually Paragon, there is a question I would like to ask you ...
Do you believe in a religion and do you question its authenticity and message?

I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking
Paragon Renegade
Sebiestor Tribe
#47 - 2011-10-16 23:35:57 UTC
Klandi wrote:
Actually Paragon, there is a question I would like to ask you ...
Do you believe in a religion and do you question its authenticity and message?


I'm not sure how to respond lol

The pie is a tautology
Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
#48 - 2011-10-16 23:42:41 UTC
I ask because you should apply the same conceptual process to any work of fiction and find gaping flaws.

Eve is only about friendship and communication - not about a pixelated work of art

I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking
Paragon Renegade
Sebiestor Tribe
#49 - 2011-10-16 23:45:36 UTC
Klandi wrote:
I ask because you should apply the same conceptual process to any work of fiction and find gaping flaws.

Eve is only about friendship and communication - not about a pixelated work of art


Hmmm.....

This thread is less of an "FIx IT NAO" thread, and more of "This list of things irks me occasionally" thread. I would ideally like to see these in a given game, but in the end, it's just an immersion issue.

IMO

The pie is a tautology
Masamune Dekoro
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#50 - 2011-10-16 23:55:08 UTC
Oh this thread again.

except Op has spent much more time than usual typing out and justifying it.

Time well spent?
Ascendant Sean
State War Academy
Caldari State
#51 - 2011-10-16 23:55:11 UTC
Paragon Renegade wrote:
Mister Crispy wrote:
Also, black holes are different than OP thinks. If the Sun magically turned into a black hole, the planets'/comets' orbits wouldn't change at all.


A black hole the size of the sun would eviscerate the whole solar system, the amount of gravity (Density really) per M3 in a black hole is much higher than in a star, and the planets would need to orbit farther/faster to stay in orbit. The planets would spiral in.

A black hole with the same mass as the Sun would not alter the positions of any solar bodies. The loss of an external energy source would have some tricky consequences for us, though. Entropic Earth, worst Earth.
Ascendant Sean
State War Academy
Caldari State
#52 - 2011-10-16 23:57:44 UTC
Paragon Renegade wrote:
Klandi wrote:
I ask because you should apply the same conceptual process to any work of fiction and find gaping flaws.

Eve is only about friendship and communication - not about a pixelated work of art


Hmmm.....

This thread is less of an "FIx IT NAO" thread, and more of "This list of things irks me occasionally" thread. I would ideally like to see these in a given game, but in the end, it's just an immersion issue.

IMO


My immersion has been affected far more by the message "you must leave your ship before you can clone jump" while STANDING IN A ROOM.ShockedEvil
Mister Crispy
AC Enterprises
#53 - 2011-10-16 23:58:24 UTC
Paragon Renegade wrote:
Mister Crispy wrote:
I
Also, black holes are different than OP thinks. If the Sun magically turned into a black hole, the planets'/comets' orbits wouldn't change at all.


A black hole the size of the sun would eviscerate the whole solar system, the amount of gravity (Density really) per M3 in a black hole is much higher than in a star, and the planets would need to orbit farther/faster to stay in orbit. The planets would spiral in.


Gravitational attraction is based on mass and distance. For purposes of gravitational attraction, a star and a black hole are EXACTLY the same, unless one of the objects you're measuring gets close enough to the black hole to such a degree that if the black hole were a star with equal mass, the object would be inside the star.

In other words, a star with mass X and a black hole with mass X are the same (as far as acceleration and gravity are concerned), unless one of the objects you're measuring gets closer to the black hole than Y, where Y is the star's radius.
Paragon Renegade
Sebiestor Tribe
#54 - 2011-10-16 23:58:33 UTC
Ascendant Sean wrote:
Paragon Renegade wrote:
Mister Crispy wrote:
Also, black holes are different than OP thinks. If the Sun magically turned into a black hole, the planets'/comets' orbits wouldn't change at all.


A black hole the size of the sun would eviscerate the whole solar system, the amount of gravity (Density really) per M3 in a black hole is much higher than in a star, and the planets would need to orbit farther/faster to stay in orbit. The planets would spiral in.

A black hole with the same mass as the Sun would not alter the positions of any solar bodies. The loss of an external energy source would have some tricky consequences for us, though. Entropic Earth, worst Earth.


Bro, if there was a black hole the size of (Not the mass of) the sun, the gravitational pull would be much higher simply because it's massively denser; the planets would survive if they moved faster or orbited farther, and expended more energy doing so. If they didn't, they would spiral gradually

The pie is a tautology
Paragon Renegade
Sebiestor Tribe
#55 - 2011-10-16 23:59:52 UTC
Mister Crispy wrote:
Paragon Renegade wrote:
Mister Crispy wrote:
I
Also, black holes are different than OP thinks. If the Sun magically turned into a black hole, the planets'/comets' orbits wouldn't change at all.


A black hole the size of the sun would eviscerate the whole solar system, the amount of gravity (Density really) per M3 in a black hole is much higher than in a star, and the planets would need to orbit farther/faster to stay in orbit. The planets would spiral in.


Gravitational attraction is based on mass and distance. For purposes of gravitational attraction, a star and a black hole are EXACTLY the same, unless one of the objects you're measuring gets close enough to the black hole to such a degree that if the black hole were a star with equal mass, the object would be inside the star.

In other words, a star with mass X and a black hole with mass X are the same (as far as acceleration and gravity are concerned), unless one of the objects you're measuring gets closer to the black hole than Y, where Y is the star's radius.


I was assuming he meant the size of.

If it has the same mass, you're right.

The pie is a tautology
David Grogan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2011-10-17 01:04:13 UTC  |  Edited by: David Grogan
Paragon Renegade wrote:
Ohai

-Multiple star systems; We never see any sort of double, triple or quadruple stars in a given system, there's always one solitary star.


Wormspace has many binary and triple star systems

Paragon Renegade wrote:

-Asteroid belts defy all logic:

*Asteroids orbit hundreds of thousands of KM apart
*A belt of that size & spacing is actually physically impossible in such close proximity to a planet; the asteroids would Form a tenuous ring around the planet, or they would condense into a planetesmial beforehand (Before they ever orbited the planet)


this one i have to agree with.......... asteroid belts are small............ they should be so large it should require warps from one roid to the next. Also we should be allowed to install mining outposts onto large asteroids.... but they should also require protection.

ice belts also need to be omni ice types............. lets be real........ water (ice) contains 3 things............. hydrogen, oxygen, and Deuterium aka heavy water

helium should be harvested from stars and nitrogen via all living organisms

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Celery Man
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#57 - 2011-10-17 03:06:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Celery Man
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Paragon Renegade wrote:
-Vacuum physics; Eve online's ships handle like submarines more than spacecraft. It's as if there's an invisible medium, with the ships plowing through that.
We live in an area of space where the Higgs Field is extra thick and chunky.


I was just going to point out how insanely retarted it would be to try to use real world vacume physics over the internets, but now that ive tried to find out what a higgs mechanism is and my head is hurting.

Also - were in another dimension/time/we dont even know - just keep that in mind.
TuonelanOrja
Doomheim
#58 - 2011-10-17 06:50:14 UTC
don't bully mentally disabled people, it's wrong.

Not a veteran, just bitter..
Guy Grand
Doomheim
#59 - 2011-10-17 07:03:35 UTC
Celery Man wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Paragon Renegade wrote:
-Vacuum physics; Eve online's ships handle like submarines more than spacecraft. It's as if there's an invisible medium, with the ships plowing through that.
We live in an area of space where the Higgs Field is extra thick and chunky.


I was just going to point out how insanely retarted it would be to try to use real world vacume physics over the internets, but now that ive tried to find out what a higgs mechanism is and my head is hurting.

Also - were in another dimension/time/we dont even know - just keep that in mind.


Wasn't there something about the warp engines always being powered up and creating a "drag" effect from generated inertia when they weren't warping a ship through space? I remember reading that from somewhere...
Orion Guardian
#60 - 2011-10-20 10:40:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Orion Guardian
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Orion GUardian wrote:
It isn't even proven that Wormholes are possible in the Real world, so why should there be stable ones?
And the Universe is only 6000 years old.

There's more than enough evidence to support the existence of black holes.


You DO know that Black Holes are an entirely different thing than Wormholes do you?

And sry if I was unclear, Iw as talking about Wormholes capable of transporting large parts of matter over a long distance. Not small wormholes transporting a few atoms etc.