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So CCP, any comment on Plex Prices?

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Acac Sunflyier
The Ascended Academy
#41 - 2012-09-27 23:29:35 UTC
word on the gates is somebody cashed in a crap ton of high valued assets and bought it all.
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2012-09-28 00:48:25 UTC
James 315 wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Naturally, this thread will be hijacked by the null sec zealots screaming "nerf high sec!", but does anyone at CCP, who is not part of the null sec cadre, have any idea why plex prices are out of control, and have numbers to back it up?

I'm not at CCP, and I am a nullsec zealot screaming "nerf high sec!", but I'll answer anyway:

Highsec PLEX'ers driving up the price with easy AFK FW isk. Smile

fixed.... seriously you think it was mining isk?
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2012-09-28 00:49:40 UTC
Mars Theran wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Paul Oliver wrote:
So what exactly does it take now a days to make enough isk to plex a single account with only one character?

Or have we reached a point where the price of plex has rendered that impossible.


Pfft, plex could be 2b each and people would still buy them P


Not this toon X

Smile


And that is why you don't have a monocle Straight

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Amber Coldheart
Doomheim
#44 - 2012-09-28 02:21:37 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Naturally, this thread will be hijacked by the null sec zealots screaming "nerf high sec!", but does anyone at CCP, who is not part of the null sec cadre, have any idea why plex prices are out of control, and have numbers to back it up?

Because demand is far higher than the supply ?

As for numbers, after making myself 3 alts so i could look at the 4 major hubs :

Dodixie : 91 available, 570m lowest price
Amarr : 97 available, 570m lowest price
Rens : 45 available, 581m lowest price
Jita : 500+ available (i gave up counting at 550 or something), 559m lowest price.

So the easy conclusion, buy in Jita and sell elsewhere (which is the truncated story of EVE, hehe).

Market tip of the day is then undoubtedly to buy 50 plex's from Jita, load them up in a shuttle, and travel to Rens on autopilot P
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#45 - 2012-09-28 02:25:59 UTC
If I don't have money to pay for my account, as I often do, I find that I'm going to have to unsubscribe.

I simply have no real incentive to keep playing the game if all I'm doing is PVE just to afford to play the game.

PLEX prices need to go down otherwise this is going to become an option that is completely unavailable to me and many other players.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#46 - 2012-09-28 02:32:30 UTC
One comment from CCP I would like to hear is the effect of bots on the Plex prices(demand). When they use to be just GTCs it was easy to spot that the prices where inflated due to bots, when ever there was a mass banning then prices would tank. Now with plexes its tricky to spot the connection.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
Amber Coldheart
Doomheim
#47 - 2012-09-28 02:43:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Amber Coldheart
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
If I don't have money to pay for my account, as I often do, I find that I'm going to have to unsubscribe.

I simply have no real incentive to keep playing the game if all I'm doing is PVE just to afford to play the game.

PLEX prices need to go down otherwise this is going to become an option that is completely unavailable to me and many other players.

I dont disagree with the prices being too high, but its a player driven market. People forking out real money for a plex naturally wants as big a return as possible, and the customer wants it at the lowest price possible.

I dont see how its *that* hard though, to make 500 - 600 mill a month, you are, unless i am mistaken in a big alliance, surely you have ways of making cash down there ?

All i hear about is people talking about soloing level 5's in 0.0, raking in a couple of hundred mill an hour, and so on.

Then again, from others, i hear that there is no money in 0.0 for most people and that they have hi sec mission running alts *shrugs*

ah well.. long story short, there are only two ways of making the price go down. Either people stop buying, or there is a massive influx of new plex'es onto the market, forcing price down through competition. Neither of those seems probable.
ACE McFACE
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2012-09-28 02:43:17 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
As expected, bunch of posts pushing various agendas.
Frankly, I have no real clue what is causing a record high in price.

And I would truly like CCP to explain what is happening.
They have a wealth of numbers, and I would love for one of then to take up the challenge of deriving an explanation and providing it.

So I guess this answer is pushing someone's null-sec agenda?
Quote:
Supply and Demand.

Less players supplying, more players demanding.

This is so easy. Next question?


If you're not going to accept actual answers don't ask the question

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#49 - 2012-09-28 02:52:26 UTC
You don't have to buy them. If they don't sell for what I want, I will use them myself.
Guile SONICBOOM
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2012-09-28 02:53:34 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Tyrozan
-EDIT- No real life political posts - ISD Tyrozan
Ghazu
#51 - 2012-09-28 03:14:28 UTC
Dinsdale you sure bitche a lot.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#52 - 2012-09-28 03:45:27 UTC
Amber Coldheart wrote:

Market tip of the day is then undoubtedly to buy 50 plex's from Jita, load them up in a shuttle, and travel to Rens on autopilot P

And yell out when ya do. We'll provide escort.

No. We will. Yes. What?

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
San Severina
One Point 0
#53 - 2012-09-28 04:09:34 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Mars Theran wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Paul Oliver wrote:
So what exactly does it take now a days to make enough isk to plex a single account with only one character?

Or have we reached a point where the price of plex has rendered that impossible.


Pfft, plex could be 2b each and people would still buy them P


Not this toon X

Smile


And that is why you don't have a monocle Straight


could be people don't have monocles for other reasons, just like some people refuse to fly business or own an exotic car, it's all so terribly nouveau & vulgar.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#54 - 2012-09-28 04:19:37 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Tyrozan
-EDIT- Real life political posting is prohibited. - ISD Tyrozan
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#55 - 2012-09-28 04:20:33 UTC
It's OK OP. I saw this thread and unlike the rest of the people here, I actually did something to help.

I put a few contracts up with plex for 350m isk. You should grab them quick though, at that price they'll go fast.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#56 - 2012-09-28 06:25:05 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Naturally, this thread will be hijacked by the null sec zealots screaming "nerf high sec!", but does anyone at CCP, who is not part of the null sec cadre, have any idea why plex prices are out of control, and have numbers to back it up?


I suspect spacerich NULL SEC CSMs will get the jump on Dr E's release on any CONFISCATED PLEX price relief & it'll fail to reduce the price signicantly as the SPACERICH GET RICHER
Its the SAME in RL why would Eve be any different Straight
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
TharOkha
0asis Group
#57 - 2012-09-28 06:57:12 UTC
James 315 wrote:

Highsec PLEX'ers driving up the price with easy AFK mining isk. Smile


We all know your enthusiatic love toward miners James Big smile , but im affraid that this is not the problem now. Easy made FW income is the cause.

CODE. Venture hunt contest in a nutshell
Doctor Gordon Freeman
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#58 - 2012-09-28 06:57:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Doctor Gordon Freeman
This is a simplistic theory/treatise. I have tried to be accurate, satirical, and make a pointless point. It would have been better as a cartoon or video, but I don't have time, I need to make some isk ;)
one final note: yes, I have an agenda, haha.

ccp has made a spreadsheet that shows several data elements ... in theory of course

one, the number of accounts (two + three)

two, the number of accounts paid for with real money via subscriptions, plex Purchased from ccp, gametime cards, etc.

three, the number of accounts paid for with plex purchased in game

four, the real cash income per month from number two

five, the average cash income per month per account. (four / one)

six, the average market price of plex.

Obviously CCP controls the RL $ price of plex, but could CCP be conducting experiments on us by making shadow purchases of plex ingame, and studying the outcome on their spreadsheet, observing the relationships between the variables as number six is experimentally manipulated?

How would we know? Is it a conspiracy to maximize number four and number five, lol? Is it far-fetched bunk?

Does anyone feel it's become a greater and exciting challenge over the last year to pay for your account with plex instead of real money?

Maybe it is just demand. Entirely possible.

I've wondered about people going back to school in the fall too, and whether that has anything to do with it.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#59 - 2012-09-28 07:15:14 UTC
I'll say one more thing about PLEX... and it's often lost in this debate but I think it's an important point. What is your time worth? If it takes more than 3 hours to make enough for a PLEX it's not worth it even if you are on minimum wage. I got the PLEX I needed to advance my sub a couple of years, but really looking back I'm almost sorry I did. I made a ton of isk doing market scams, and because zero effort was involved it seemed like an easy choice. But really... if I had to actually earn my ISK I'd just pay for the sub. I make more than minimum wage. It's not worth the time to grind. Str8 up yo. I'm here to have fun, and grinding to pay for my account doesn't sound like much fun.

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Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
#60 - 2012-09-28 08:18:59 UTC
Gogela wrote:
I'll say one more thing about PLEX... and it's often lost in this debate but I think it's an important point. What is your time worth? If it takes more than 3 hours to make enough for a PLEX it's not worth it even if you are on minimum wage. I got the PLEX I needed to advance my sub a couple of years, but really looking back I'm almost sorry I did. I made a ton of isk doing market scams, and because zero effort was involved it seemed like an easy choice. But really... if I had to actually earn my ISK I'd just pay for the sub. I make more than minimum wage. It's not worth the time to grind. Str8 up yo. I'm here to have fun, and grinding to pay for my account doesn't sound like much fun.


Yeah I'm in the same boat. 15 bucks to me isn't even something I consider money, its nothing. I make that in roughly 10 minutes of work. When I poop at work in the morning, I make a PLEX. So spending a couple of hours grinding something in Eve to earn ISK for a PLEX is silly. I would be more likely to buy PLEX for real cash but I don't have economic problem in game any more than I have out of game so for the most part PLEX is irrelevant to me.

One thing I do like about PLEX is that it sets a real world value for ISK. If nothing else its interesting to do the math when you get blown up or blow someone up.

The reality of Eve is that, if you don't love it like it is today, you should probobly go ahead and unsub.