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New to eve, and happy.. but..

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Robbin Sund
#1 - 2012-09-27 15:30:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Robbin Sund
EDIT:

Hello there, first of all, day 3, contacted and helped by a GM and many other peoples all around the place.
Soon having a Exequtor and everything is going grand.

I have been reading around as much as I can, so much info! I LOVE IT.
at the moment I am mining, its fun to try to optimize the gain and all that.
But I am limited to trial stuff atm, doing the best I can for now, after that, I might be a fully functional EVE-player.

First question, easy one here.
Lowsec and nullsec, is there any stations to sell stuff at?
Or do I need to haul myself back to highsec to get into a station everytime I have taken a visit?
(No corp-player that is)

(EDIT) Second question:
I was looking for a weapon that dont take me 70+ days learning to use, I have an Incursus and running rail guns I got from the mission, and I have no idea about a good overall weapon, if I should run 3 different ones, range, bah.
Anyone got a solid "newbie pvp/pve combat weapons" ?

Third one, a bit longer.
Could ignore this one, so far topics around this always create shitstorms :|

Thou after seeing so many topics around one and the same thing I gotta ask.
Mining in highsec (Carebears/miningbuffs and so on in "safespots", nerfing to ganks and all that)

I do enjoy the idea of having a realtive safe spot, not talking death-free, ofcourse you should be able to die.
But it shouldnt come without a price right?
Guarded area, noobs -> mining low stuff -> is it really worth sacrificing stuff for it? if yes, go for it.

And all the ore around 0,4 and lower, 0,0 nullsec or what its called by people.
I was looking forward to get some more advanced "hybrids" or miners that can handle mining in rough areas.
Seems like people questioning me there thou.
Why mine out there when the risk-reward isnt even close to equal?
Why not sit in high-sec and earn more?

Well.. seeing how its a safe spot, well armed, and well farmed, shouldnt the value get lower up there?
I do know about the people setting the demands and prices, but should common material really be equal or greater then the rare sought off materials?

Will I only halter myself progress (but probably having a greate jorney) by going mining in zerozero, or can it actually be worth it, by worth, giving me more reward due to higher risks?

Instead of balacing the survival/gankin within highsec, shouldnt it reward more to go out in lowsec/nullsec?

If it was more rewarding staying out there, people wouldnt bother to gank the others in highsec to begin with, it wouldnt be worth it and they are only hurting themselves (or slowing down progress) by sticking to common copper and dirt, while the gold and diamonds flow outdoors.

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One way trip! Why dont you drive?

Jim Era
#2 - 2012-09-27 15:45:21 UTC
wat???

ok so I'm not the best to give advice buut, low and null have stations. Most null stations belong to an alliance so you will probably get raped if you tried to get near.

I can't answer your question about guns because you are a stinky gallente.

It is more rewarding to go out in null/low...except the fact that you might die and lose your ship. In high you probably won't die so you can make more money.

When you are alone and feeling lazy, sip a few brews and mine in high-sec while listening to music and talking with buds.
When you are feeling daring, jump in a Procurer or w/e the **** that thing is called and mine in low sec.

Typically you "can't" get into null unless you are in their alliance.
You can go of course, but will probably get blobbed.

Wat™

ISD Athechu
ISD STAR
ISD Alliance
#3 - 2012-09-27 15:46:55 UTC
Robbin Sund wrote:
Hello there, first of all, day 3, contacted and helped by a GM and many other peoples all around the place.
Soon having a Exequtor and everything is going grand.

I have been reading around as much as I can, so much info! I LOVE IT.
at the moment I am mining, its fun to try to optimize the gain and all that.
But I am limited to trial stuff atm, doing the best I can for now, after that, I might be a fully functional EVE-player.

First question, easy one here.
Lowsec and nullsec, is there any stations to sell stuff at?
Or do I need to haul myself back to highsec to get into a station everytime I have taken a visit?
(No corp-player that is)



First off great to hear and glad that you are enjoying it :).

To answer your question yes both low sec and null sec have stations where you can buy things from. The one thing to note though about low sec/null sec though is that usually stations were a decent amount of people are living are the places where items are seeded. Now in terms of safety since you can be shot in both locations by pirates or null sec dwellers it isn't always a good idea to run to those station and buy an item. There isn't really any trade hubs as you know or see in hi-sec. So sometimes people bring or haul items(from hi-sec) out to the station where their alliance/corporation is based out of and put it on the market.

Now not all stations in null sec (player owned space) is accessible unless you have Blue standing with the alliance that owns that station. If you look at null sec (NPC) that is open and free to you.

I'm not going to touch the 2nd question as it gets into my personal opinions on the topic and that's not what i'm here for.

ISD Athechu

STAR Executive

EVE New Citizens Q&A Resources

Helping Players Since 2011

Robbin Sund
#4 - 2012-09-27 15:50:54 UTC
Jim Era wrote:
wat???

ok so I'm not the best to give advice buut, low and null have stations. Most null stations belong to an alliance so you will probably get raped if you tried to get near.

I can't answer your question about guns because you are a stinky gallente.

It is more rewarding to go out in null/low...except the fact that you might die and lose your ship. In high you probably won't die so you can make more money.

When you are alone and feeling lazy, sip a few brews and mine in high-sec while listening to music and talking with buds.
When you are feeling daring, jump in a Procurer or w/e the **** that thing is called and mine in low sec.

Typically you "can't" get into null unless you are in their alliance.
You can go of course, but will probably get blobbed.



So those crying about not having benefits of mining is just sadpands that dont dare to die?
:D
If you want to play with the bigboys, you have to count on some bones being whacked, I know that, thanks to many games with insane death-penalties before eve.
So, nullstations = alliances check.
Lowsec, what about them? Could I dock like this one in my newbie area Clellion or is it anythine I need to think about?

Blobbed, heard it a few times, slang for dead?

One way trip! Why dont you drive?

Jim Era
#5 - 2012-09-27 15:55:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Jim Era
blobbed means that 500+ people will come at you and you can't see anything because your screen is full of red markers.

Low-sec you can dock...if you can get to the station without being killed.
Some low systems are empty, some you will die as soon as you jump in (unless syou're careful)
Use d-scan, check dotlan or w/e the **** that site is.
I tend to stay off the beaten path and never get messed with too bad.
Then pirates may hold you hostage in said station for ransom



and yes, everyone is just crying because they don't want to die.

Everyone in EVE is too focused on how much fun the guy next to them is having, and get upset because they aren't having any fun.

Wat™

Robbin Sund
#6 - 2012-09-27 15:55:50 UTC
ISD Athechu wrote:
Robbin Sund wrote:
Hello there, first of all, day 3, contacted and helped by a GM and many other peoples all around the place.
Soon having a Exequtor and everything is going grand.

I have been reading around as much as I can, so much info! I LOVE IT.
at the moment I am mining, its fun to try to optimize the gain and all that.
But I am limited to trial stuff atm, doing the best I can for now, after that, I might be a fully functional EVE-player.

First question, easy one here.
Lowsec and nullsec, is there any stations to sell stuff at?
Or do I need to haul myself back to highsec to get into a station everytime I have taken a visit?
(No corp-player that is)



First off great to hear and glad that you are enjoying it :).

To answer your question yes both low sec and null sec have stations where you can buy things from. The one thing to note though about low sec/null sec though is that usually stations were a decent amount of people are living are the places where items are seeded. Now in terms of safety since you can be shot in both locations by pirates or null sec dwellers it isn't always a good idea to run to those station and buy an item. There isn't really any trade hubs as you know or see in hi-sec. So sometimes people bring or haul items(from hi-sec) out to the station where their alliance/corporation is based out of and put it on the market.

Now not all stations in null sec (player owned space) is accessible unless you have Blue standing with the alliance that owns that station. If you look at null sec (NPC) that is open and free to you.

I'm not going to touch the 2nd question as it gets into my personal opinions on the topic and that's not what i'm here for.



Thanks for the answer, fancy Icon around your avatar. ;) had to wiki it up.
God I love to chew info, even if not everything sticks right away.

So with other words, actually living solo out in lowsec or nullsec is not to possible. If I dont manage to find an alliance that actually can bother to let me hang around and sell stuff to them eh?
Interesting to see if I manage to persuade someone to let me sell and trade around their parts.

Or if I just go in there, mine and get the hell out of there to a nearby station I after that call home.

One way trip! Why dont you drive?

Jim Era
#7 - 2012-09-27 15:57:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Jim Era
Well in null it is next to impossible to be solo and actually do anything besides stay cloaked.

Low its not as bad.

also re-read previous post, I edited it with more informations

Wat™

Robbin Sund
#8 - 2012-09-27 16:00:15 UTC
Jim Era wrote:
blobbed means that 500+ people will come at you and you can't see anything because your screen is full of red markers.

Low-sec you can dock...if you can get to the station.
Then pirates may hold you hostage in said station for ransom



and yes, everyone is just crying because they don't want to die.

Everyone in EVE is too focused on how much fun the guy next to them is having, and get upset because they aren't having any fun.



Hey, whats the fun in hording cash just to see it sit in a pile?

I would probably not manage to get to a station, but said situation actually sounds fun,.
Yeah, Ultima online, Darkfall and even the fresh DayZ have the issue of players not enjoying the game, only looks at loot and hoard it up, never using it.
Heck. thats why eve got my interested.

Thou lets say I manage to kill someone, will everything they had be lost, or just a % of their cargo be lootable, what about pods and implants and so on?
I am not sure about the looting on players besides salvage.

One way trip! Why dont you drive?

Jim Era
#9 - 2012-09-27 16:02:23 UTC
If you kill them they lose everything their ship had on it.
You can only loot like half the modules.
If you pod them they have to purchase a new clone to hold their skillpoints (otherwise you will lose skillpoints if your clone cannot hold as much as you have, new one must be purchased on death)
and their implants also are lost if you pod them.

Wat™

Robbin Sund
#10 - 2012-09-27 16:05:13 UTC
Jim Era wrote:
If you kill them they lose everything their ship had on it.
You can only loot like half the modules.
If you pod them they have to purchase a new clone to hold their skillpoints (otherwise you will lose skillpoints if your clone cannot hold as much as you have, new one must be purchased on death)
and their implants also are lost if you pod them.


oh so I might get a bit of luck atleast?
Salvaging then.
if I got it right, is it like 5-10% to salvage stuff at the beginning?
Salvager 1 (access difficulty bonus) 5%.

One way trip! Why dont you drive?

Jim Era
#11 - 2012-09-27 16:11:44 UTC
i don't even salvage so couldn't tell you there.
I kill for the sake of killing.
(But haven't actually killed anybody cuz I suck)
PvP in EVE is tough to make ISK.
Not all forms, some corps offer ship reimbursement programs etc.

Wat™

Robbin Sund
#12 - 2012-09-27 16:12:47 UTC
Jim Era wrote:
If you kill them they lose everything their ship had on it.
You can only loot like half the modules.
If you pod them they have to purchase a new clone to hold their skillpoints (otherwise you will lose skillpoints if your clone cannot hold as much as you have, new one must be purchased on death)
and their implants also are lost if you pod them.


Thanks for all the answer Jim, sorry for brining even more.
I am trying to read up on so many things I want to try, and as you mentioned cloaking. I might have an idea for my Exeq. :)
Its not that im to lazy to check it up, I want info faster then I probably can handle them.

Really thanks for everything so far. sorting loads of things up, and nailing the bad baloon I had on the low/nullsec mining. made me happy actually.

One way trip! Why dont you drive?

Velicitia
XS Tech
#13 - 2012-09-27 16:17:12 UTC
Robbin Sund wrote:

First question, easy one here.
Lowsec and nullsec, is there any stations to sell stuff at?


Yes. Lowsec has NPC stations, nullsec is all player-owned (excepting NPC Null, which does have NPC stations here and there). Assuming you want to stay out of a corp, low and nullsec are going to be difficult -- everything you try to do by yourself, the other guys have tens or hundreds of friends helping them with.

Robbin Sund wrote:

I was looking for a weapon that dont take me 70+ days learning to use, I have an Incursus and running rail guns I got from the mission, and I have no idea about a good overall weapon, if I should run 3 different ones, range, bah.
Anyone got a solid "newbie pvp/pve combat weapons" ?

I'm assuming you found a LARGE gun. Any Small railgun (or blaster, if you prefer getting up close and personal) will take no training time, or a few days tops.

Meta 2/3/4 (depending on what you can afford to lose) are your best choices. If you're going the combat route, getting Gunnery, Small Hybrid Turret, and the "Gunnery Support Skills" (Sharpshooter, Rapid Firing, etc) to L3/4 will help you a lot. Also, as you're Gallente you'll want to get your drone skills up.

Robbin Sund wrote:

And all the ore around 0,4 and lower, 0,0 nullsec or what its called by people.
I was looking forward to get some more advanced "hybrids" or miners that can handle mining in rough areas.
Seems like people questioning me there thou.
Why mine out there when the risk-reward isnt even close to equal?
Why not sit in high-sec and earn more?

Well.. seeing how its a safe spot, well armed, and well farmed, shouldnt the value get lower up there?
I do know about the people setting the demands and prices, but should common material really be equal or greater then the rare sought off materials?

Will I only halter myself progress (but probably having a greate jorney) by going mining in zerozero, or can it actually be worth it, by worth, giving me more reward due to higher risks?

Instead of balacing the survival/gankin within highsec, shouldnt it reward more to go out in lowsec/nullsec?

If it was more rewarding staying out there, people wouldnt bother to gank the others in highsec to begin with, it wouldnt be worth it and they are only hurting themselves (or slowing down progress) by sticking to common copper and dirt, while the gold and diamonds flow outdoors.

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The trouble is that a lot of people who are "miners" are really "OK, this is my alt that I'm setting to mine in safe hisec space for an hour while I blitz L4 missions, or run Incursions, or do anything else that doesn't involve me actively paying attention to this toon" coupled with the fact that there's no big break between lowsec and hisec in terms of profitability, mainly due to most lowsec rocks being "big" (up to 8 m3 per unit).

There needs to be a lot of work done to "fix" lowsec. With the exception of Zydrine, you can get everything in hisec that you can get in lowsec (even if it's in stupidly small quantities), and everything available in lowsec is available in nullsec ... so why mine in low, when you can carebear behind a nigh impenetrable wall of blues in null...?

Pretty much it boils down to the fact that it takes ~effort~ to work in low ... so why not just use that same ~effort~ and go to null..

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

Jim Era
#14 - 2012-09-27 16:18:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Jim Era
No worries.
That is why I am here.
also
don't trust anyone.

Never hand that money over if you think you are getting something at a fair price.

and now the poster above me is trying to transform you into one of the bittervet/forumwarriors who just QQ all day about nerfs and changes etc. and profitability in ISK/hour

meh, just play the game the way you want and have fun doing it.

You can always chunk $20 for a PLEX and get 500mil ISK instead of freaking out because somebody makes more money than you.

Wat™

Robbin Sund
#15 - 2012-09-27 16:26:52 UTC
Velicitia wrote:


Meta 2/3/4 (depending on what you can afford to lose) are your best choices. If you're going the combat route, getting Gunnery, Small Hybrid Turret, and the "Gunnery Support Skills" (Sharpshooter, Rapid Firing, etc) to L3/4 will help you a lot. Also, as you're Gallente you'll want to get your drone skills up.


Meta meta meta, didnt find anything in the market, besides rigs, is it short for anything?
I dont have a large weapon I was just looking at the store for some weapons. :)
Still only have 2 different weapons, one is good in 4000m range, and the other in 1400m... and probably do crap damage either way. : D


Jim Era wrote:
No worries.
That is why I am here.
also
don't trust anyone.

Never hand that money over if you think you are getting something at a fair price.

and now the poster above me is trying to transform you into one of the bittervet/forumwarriors who just QQ all day about nerfs and changes etc. and profitability in ISK/hour

meh, just play the game the way you want and have fun doing it.

You can always chunk $20 for a PLEX and get 500mil ISK instead of freaking out because somebody makes more money than you.



Yeah trusting people where only they have benefits of it is something I dont do, if I dont have anything to lose thou.
I will probably be rather fine in eve space, if you dont count some of my deaths I know is comming to get me as soon as I get my exeq. and probably a few more exeqs after that.. ;)

One way trip! Why dont you drive?

Jim Era
#16 - 2012-09-27 16:28:09 UTC
check in attributes on the show info option of an item.
It will tell you what Meta it is

almost like small ranks

Wat™

Davith en Divalone
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-09-27 16:34:47 UTC
Many lowsec systems have stations just like highsec. Whether you can find a buyer for your goods in low-traffic systems is another question.

Eve university has a nice pair of pages about turrets and missiles. You can't go seriously wrong if you:

1: Fit identical weapons and use an Afterburner/MWD to control ideal range.
2: Fit for weapon bonuses on the hull ("5% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret damage"). If the hull doesn't have any weapon bonuses, the racial weapons matching the hull may still be easiest to fit.
3: Fit the weapon for your preferred engagement distance.
4: Use pyfa and EFT to figure out fits before you start buying modules.

Robbin Sund
#18 - 2012-09-27 16:45:07 UTC
Davith en Divalone wrote:
Many lowsec systems have stations just like highsec. Whether you can find a buyer for your goods in low-traffic systems is another question.

Eve university has a nice pair of pages about turrets and missiles. You can't go seriously wrong if you:

1: Fit identical weapons and use an Afterburner/MWD to control ideal range.
2: Fit for weapon bonuses on the hull ("5% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret damage"). If the hull doesn't have any weapon bonuses, the racial weapons matching the hull may still be easiest to fit.
3: Fit the weapon for your preferred engagement distance.
4: Use pyfa and EFT to figure out fits before you start buying modules.



Pyfa EFT? cant I just start tossing **** together? ;D
Oh well, guessing its sites that let me optimize and equip my ships on paper.

Yeah I was just reading on range and afterburners/mwd.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Hybrid_turret

Probably going Anode Light Electron or Ion Cannons 1 to start with. :D

One way trip! Why dont you drive?

Tao Dolcino
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-09-27 16:47:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Tao Dolcino
Robbin Sund wrote:
First question, easy one here.
Lowsec and nullsec, is there any stations to sell stuff at?
Or do I need to haul myself back to highsec to get into a station everytime I have taken a visit?
(No corp-player that is)

(EDIT) Second question:
I was looking for a weapon that dont take me 70+ days learning to use, I have an Incursus and running rail guns I got from the mission, and I have no idea about a good overall weapon, if I should run 3 different ones, range, bah.
Anyone got a solid "newbie pvp/pve combat weapons" ?


1)
In LS, the lowest you go into security status, the least chance you'll have to find a buyer. And null sec is not really the place to sell stuff...

2)
You don't need weapons for every cases, you need to experiment the tactic you prefer : short range for dogfight style, or long range for kiting style, but don't try to equip different kind of weapons on the same ship or you'll be bad at everything. specialize your ship for what you will do with it.
It's you who must control the range of the fight. That's in fact the true best weapon ;)
Edit : most important : you don't need to worry about waiting for weeks before to do stuff, you can start now with skills at like 2 and become even better with time, but please remember that you can start right now and do already very well !
Robert De'Arneth
#20 - 2012-09-27 17:45:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert De'Arneth
I like your positive, I want to learn it all now attitude!! Big smile

Go slow on your ships, I cannot stress this enough!! I know the Cruisers, BC's and BS's look cool, but looking kewl in a 100 mil ISK ship with no skilz is asking for a quick trip to a medical bay. Of course you are free to ignore this, I know I did. I rushed right to Battleships, bought one, lost one and went back to frigs. Found out frigs are not that bad!! Blink

Low sec, is cess pit of some of the worst pirite scum you will ever meet, and also can be a lot of fun. Shocked

Here is the number one tip for surviving in low sec, you have that nice kewl map tool, use it, you can find out all kinds of great info, like, how many ships destroyed in last hour and 24 hours, also same with pods. Take the 5 mins it will take you to learn that map tool.

Now # 2 tip for going to low sec, local channel watch it at all times, when someone pops in, look at their info, you are looking for people that have - sec status, do not become their victim by ignoring they are there, move your ship, or hide and play cat and mouse. Low sec is much better then high sec at getting good sec status by ratting, but never ever trust anyone with - sec status, not even if she claims to be your mother. Anyways, do not be afraid to go to low sec.

Also, any corp that ask for an application fee, they will be trying to steal your ISK. You have been warned.


Have fun happy flying and keep up the great attitude!!Big smile

I'm a nerd, you can check my stats!! Skilling Int/Mem at 45 sp per minute is how I mack!     I'm like a lapdog, all bark no bite. 

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