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Official Protest - Mittani should be removed from CSM - *** UPDATED RESPONSE POSTED ***

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Ajunyx
#81 - 2011-10-16 21:36:48 UTC
Just Another Toon wrote:


So your saying the CSM DOES NOT represent the eve player base as a whole? Because if that is true then the CSM is a lie and should be disbanded immediately.

and if it does not, then how are all the players in eve being represented? they are not!!!

You have just made it clear that each CSM are just out to get whats best for their voters (in other words their alliance)

Because no one else voted for you. This makes the CSM even more of a joke then...


How can the CSM represent every single player and their individual concerns? You're basically asking the impossible.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#82 - 2011-10-16 21:37:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Just Another Toon wrote:
So your saying the CSM DOES NOT represent the eve player base as a whole?
The CSM as a whole represents the voting part of the playerbase as a whole. Each CSM rep represents his/her constituents.
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and if it does not, then how are all the players in eve being represented? they are not!!!
Of course not. They didn't vote. No vote = no representation. That's their problem.

What part of this is confusing to you?
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#83 - 2011-10-16 21:38:45 UTC
People seem really butt hurt over Mittani and Goons. Every week its something new.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
Ajunyx
#84 - 2011-10-16 21:39:04 UTC
Luckily for the endless multitudes of babies who incessantly whine about the CSM, next year you'll have the opportunity to change the way the CSM is built, and an equal opportunity to whine incessantly about how that CSM isn't representing your interests either.
Just Another Toon
Doomheim
#85 - 2011-10-16 21:39:45 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Just Another Toon wrote:
So your saying the CSM DOES NOT represent the eve player base as a whole?
The CSM as a whole represents the voting part of the playerbase as a whole.
Quote:
and if it does not, then how are all the players in eve being represented? they are not!!!
Of course not. They didn't vote. No vote = no representation.


NO NO the CSM is supposed to be the voice of ALL the players not just those who voted. That is open to all kinds of abuse! and if thats the case please post the official rule saying this is the case and CSM does not represent the player base as a whole..
The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#86 - 2011-10-16 21:40:01 UTC
Just Another Toon wrote:

Because no one else voted for you. This makes the CSM even more of a joke then...


GSF had an exit poll system for the election; I received approximately 1700 votes from within my alliance out of my total of 5365. Sorry to destroy your tinfoil with facts!

~hi~
Nyio
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#87 - 2011-10-16 21:40:15 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
This thread pleases me.

I represent nullsec, hisec greifers, and anyone else who understands that EVE is a place for war and murder, not safety and weakness. As it happens, the voice of my constituents is far louder than the OP's cry for help; that is why I am the Chairman.

That I scam, kill, and gank and conquer are all reasons why my constituents feel that I represent their viewpoints accurately, and voted for me in the first place.

As for my RL, I was once an attorney in DC, but I retired and moved to Wisconsin last year.


You also seem to be pretty full of yourself..
And to me that rhymes bad with having a position within the CSM.

Golem • CCP In-Game Event 2011.11.23 • Nyio • Grenade?
Just Another Toon
Doomheim
#88 - 2011-10-16 21:40:20 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
People seem really butt hurt over Mittani and Goons. Every week its something new.


k.com that way <-----
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#89 - 2011-10-16 21:41:17 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
People seem really butt hurt over Mittani and Goons. Every week its something new.


apparently all you have to do is lightly poke highsec (as a whole) and it turns into literally a bottomless fountain of tears.

you should try it.
Psychophantic
#90 - 2011-10-16 21:41:45 UTC
One of our esteemed CSM's recruting on Something Awful.

Quote:

Newbie pro-tip:

You can play EVE for free by buying widgets called 'PLEX' ingame; they're worth a month of subscription time and cost, as of this writing, about 315 million isk.

You can join Goonswarm and instantly turn around and recruitment scam hapless pubbies out of 500m to 1b+ isk on your very first day of playing since the poor fucks are so desperate to get into our alliance (cf. Space Communism, above). We'll teach you how; scamming owns.

One successful scam and bam - you'll never pay for EVE, unlike other MMOs which ding your credit card every month like clockwork. I haven't paid for an EVE subscription in more than a year, and I have four accounts; that'd be 60 bucks a month if I wasn't an honorless griefing metagamer.
Just Another Toon
Doomheim
#91 - 2011-10-16 21:41:55 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
Just Another Toon wrote:

Because no one else voted for you. This makes the CSM even more of a joke then...


GSF had an exit poll system for the election; I received approximately 1700 votes from within my alliance out of my total of 5365. Sorry to destroy your tinfoil with facts!


lol yeah and the alliance alts...please dont try your manipulation tactics on me - it dont work...
Ajunyx
#92 - 2011-10-16 21:42:08 UTC
Just Another Toon wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Just Another Toon wrote:
So your saying the CSM DOES NOT represent the eve player base as a whole?
The CSM as a whole represents the voting part of the playerbase as a whole.
Quote:
and if it does not, then how are all the players in eve being represented? they are not!!!
Of course not. They didn't vote. No vote = no representation.


NO NO the CSM is supposed to be the voice of ALL the players not just those who voted.


Wrong. If you didn't vote your opinion is moot. You had a chance to change the outcome of the election and you ignored it. You don't get the whine about it if you can't be bothered to change it. Again, you can't represent everyone. It's not possible. Real politics don't work this way, why should fictitious internet politics work this way.
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#93 - 2011-10-16 21:42:17 UTC
Ajunyx wrote:
Luckily for the endless multitudes of babies who incessantly whine about the CSM, next year you'll have the opportunity to change the way the CSM is built, and an equal opportunity to whine incessantly about how that CSM isn't representing your interests either.

or you know, they shut up and unsub, or go back to being an indy in highsec, but i realy doubt they will even vote next year, they seem like one of thsoe people that would rather not vote and then complain about who gets elected and then tell all their friends about how the other guy was ebtter (you knw, the other candidate they ddint vote for either?)

i still haven't seen any specific instances of Mittani abusing his CSM position that the fault can't be layed entirely on the victim's naivety and stupidity.
The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#94 - 2011-10-16 21:42:31 UTC
Nyio wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
This thread pleases me.

I represent nullsec, hisec greifers, and anyone else who understands that EVE is a place for war and murder, not safety and weakness. As it happens, the voice of my constituents is far louder than the OP's cry for help; that is why I am the Chairman.

That I scam, kill, and gank and conquer are all reasons why my constituents feel that I represent their viewpoints accurately, and voted for me in the first place.

As for my RL, I was once an attorney in DC, but I retired and moved to Wisconsin last year.


You also seem to be pretty full of yourself..
And to me that rhymes bad with having a position within the CSM.



Where you find a humble leader, you'll also find your politicians who 'represent everyone'.

Good luck in your search.

~hi~
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#95 - 2011-10-16 21:42:58 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
Just Another Toon wrote:

Because no one else voted for you. This makes the CSM even more of a joke then...


GSF had an exit poll system for the election; I received approximately 1700 votes from within my alliance out of my total of 5365. Sorry to destroy your tinfoil with facts!


and before people accuse TEST of voting for The Mittani: White Tree was our candidate. EVERY SINGLE MEMBER of the CSM got a lot more than just their alliance vote.
Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#96 - 2011-10-16 21:43:08 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
This thread pleases me.

I represent nullsec, hisec greifers, and anyone else who understands that EVE is a place for war and murder, not safety and weakness. As it happens, the voice of my constituents is far louder than the OP's cry for help; that is why I am the Chairman.

That I scam, kill, and gank and conquer are all reasons why my constituents feel that I represent their viewpoints accurately, and voted for me in the first place.

As for my RL, I was once an attorney in DC, but I retired and moved to Wisconsin last year.



So... you're telling me your experiences in DC have greatly helped your success in EVE as a scammer, politician and griefer.


Not surprising.


Lol

Where I am.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#97 - 2011-10-16 21:43:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Just Another Toon wrote:
NO NO the CSM is supposed to be the voice of ALL the players not just those who voted.
No they're not. They're just an elected representative body like all elected representative bodies — as a whole, they represent the totality of voters, and individually, the represent their respective constituents.
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That is open to all kinds of abuse!
So how is it being abused?
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please post the official rule saying this is the case and CSM does not represent the player base as a whole
Please post the official rule saying that the CSM is somehow magically different from all other elected representative bodies in the history of mankind and that they must uphold your rather unrealistic ideal…
Just Another Toon
Doomheim
#98 - 2011-10-16 21:43:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Just Another Toon
Ajunyx wrote:
Just Another Toon wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Just Another Toon wrote:
So your saying the CSM DOES NOT represent the eve player base as a whole?
The CSM as a whole represents the voting part of the playerbase as a whole.
Quote:
and if it does not, then how are all the players in eve being represented? they are not!!!
Of course not. They didn't vote. No vote = no representation.


NO NO the CSM is supposed to be the voice of ALL the players not just those who voted.


Wrong. If you didn't vote your opinion is moot. You had a chance to change the outcome of the election and you ignored it. You don't get the whine about it if you can't be bothered to change it. Again, you can't represent everyone. It's not possible. Real politics don't work this way, why should fictitious internet politics work this way.



WRONG

The purpose of the CSM is to represent society interests to CCP. This requires active engagement with the player community to master EVE issue awareness, understanding, and evaluation in the context of the “greatest good for the greater player base”. The scope of issues is restricted only to EVE, its ongoing development, and limited meta (out-of-game) issues which have direct relevance to the EVE universe. It is important to keep in mind that the CSM will not have formal powers within CCP, they will have a voice inside CCP.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#99 - 2011-10-16 21:43:42 UTC
Just Another Toon wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
Just Another Toon wrote:

Because no one else voted for you. This makes the CSM even more of a joke then...


GSF had an exit poll system for the election; I received approximately 1700 votes from within my alliance out of my total of 5365. Sorry to destroy your tinfoil with facts!


lol yeah and the alliance alts...please dont try your manipulation tactics on me - it dont work...


The exit poll accounted for that. Sorry!

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Ajunyx
#100 - 2011-10-16 21:43:43 UTC
Psychophantic wrote:
One of our esteemed CSM's recruting on Something Awful.

Quote:

Newbie pro-tip:

You can play EVE for free by buying widgets called 'PLEX' ingame; they're worth a month of subscription time and cost, as of this writing, about 315 million isk.

You can join Goonswarm and instantly turn around and recruitment scam hapless pubbies out of 500m to 1b+ isk on your very first day of playing since the poor fucks are so desperate to get into our alliance (cf. Space Communism, above). We'll teach you how; scamming owns.

One successful scam and bam - you'll never pay for EVE, unlike other MMOs which ding your credit card every month like clockwork. I haven't paid for an EVE subscription in more than a year, and I have four accounts; that'd be 60 bucks a month if I wasn't an honorless griefing metagamer.


Oh no, GSF doesn't teach its newbies about honor and the true pubbie way of life!!!

If you can extract infinite money from the infinitely stupid then you should do it. Lets face it, EVE is blatantly Darwinian in this regard and if you want to deny it then you should probably quit EVE immediately.