EVE General Discussion

I read that "report isk seller" was useful. Now we need is "report bot".

Why is Jita spam from non-bots a problem (again, bots get banned for botting)?

So you're proposing a rule that characters under 3 days old cannot be biomassed if they've been blocked? Characters located in Jita cannot be biomassed if they've been blocked? What's your proposed rule that bans people for biomassing their characters due to blocklists and isn't hilariously terrible?

Who are recycling their characters to evade a social consequence, which is just fine per current rules.

I'm saying that it doesn't need to be done. What's wrong with the existence of non-bot Jita spammers? That they're annoying? So's most of the game. That they prey on the stupid? So does most everyone else.

That's not how burdens of proof work. You claim that recycled characters come from non-bots (again, bots aren't particularly relevant to this discussion because they already have a bannable offense under their belt), do you have any evidence of that?

Those people that were reported, how does he know for certain that they're bots? He suspects they're bots, but much as I respect Chribba, his suspicions alone are not conclusive proof. As for the timing, give a real person a button to press every 5 seconds and after a short time they will become almost perfectly regular.

I see Chribba's post as evidence that that particular spammer is not a bot, as I would assume he's been investigated and cleared if he's been able to keep posting.

I would like to see, a real pilot post the same message for hours and hour every single day without messing up the posting timer. Saying that the evidence is that he is not banned is just stupid. So all mining/courier/mission bots that runs around, are not bots because they haven't been banned yet?

So he's no bot until the time he's banned, then he's a bot? Wasn't it a bot all along then?

Sure a regular pilot CAN be very exact in posting timers, but really not for an extensive period of time, it just won't happen, and certainly NOT when it comes to spamming a scam contract - because why in the world would you even need to post so exact if you are there posting by yourself?

Only reason a pilot would spam with such exact posting timers is because it's a macro/bot posting it (yes speculations, but give me a better reason why a real pilot would post exactly every 20s for hours and hours).

tbh I just don't think CCP really cares about spam bots, or maybe even don't have any tools that logs spam like that. So we report someone as a bot, they check his "activity" and find he's not undocking/docking/warping on regular intervals (since he's in station spamming) and closes the case deeming it's not a bot since there's no activity. That's what I think.

If I can get data like this and do analysis on a basic level "assuming" it's a bot based upon the posting timers, I am pretty sure CCP could very easily do that - but like I said, my guess is they don't have any such tools.

/c

It takes more than 1 person to use the function on a given suspected bot before GM's will investigate, otherwise they'd spend all their time investigating false reports. More people need to utilise the report function instead of immediately going for the block function.

Just change your mindset to "CCP doesn't give a ****" and all will be made clear.

Never been to Jita and maybe after reading this thread I do not see any reason to go there.

Used to go to a supermarket once that was always full of hoons, morons and other associated low-lifes.

I started shopping somewhere else.

You'd think people would eventually come to understand that no legitimate business ever takes place in local.

Where did I say there weren't any bots in Jita? Where did I say that CCP said there weren't any bots in Jita?

I said that, assuming CCP has cleared that person, that clearance is reasonably strong evidence that he is not a bot. Or close enough that it doesn't matter (if CCP says you're not a bot, you're unlikely to be banned for botting).

If CCP needs improved investigative tools to reduce false negatives, fine.

And again, the botting discussion is kind of moot. Bots are already against the rules, so there's no need for a new rule making them extra-illegal. Nobody's going to argue against better detection and investigative tools.

The discussion of recycled characters is marginally more interesting. Nobody's shown anything to suggest that non-bots would bother recycling characters to avoid blocklists*. Bots certainly recycle characters, but that's not because of block lists, it's because they get banned for, you know, botting and need new characters to keep botting.

*And there's a good argument for the opposite being true, since a block list pretty much represents people who aren't going to fall for the scam. Better yet, some of the people who block you might be the kind who mock scams before blocking the scammer, so once they block you they stop disrupting your scamming.

I need a bot which automatically puts the spammers (I don't mind adding a few real people) on the block list. Duh!