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Official Protest - Mittani should be removed from CSM - *** UPDATED RESPONSE POSTED ***

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Just Another Toon
Doomheim
#21 - 2011-10-16 20:32:58 UTC
Mortis vonShadow wrote:
Well, you really are a waste of space, aren't you?

I'm not a Goon or a Goon alt, but I have to ask, have you ever read anything about The Mittani and what he does on the CSM for the overall gaming experience of EVE Online? I'll bet the answer is no, you have not. Because if you had, you would come to the realization that you don't know what you are saying.

First and foremost The Mittani is an "ingame" toon. His place on the CSM has nothing to do with it. How many GM's and Dev's that work for CCP are pirates and scammers/griefers? If you bother to look it up, you will see that quite a few of them are. Should they be fired for playing the game the way they like to play? Or should they just play the game all squeaky clean like?

Secondly, The Mittani's role on the CSM is one of the reasons we are having a huge revamp of the sov mechanics in nullsec, and with a play balance of the super capitals. He is also the voice of us hisec miners that have been screaming for years about the friggin' bots that are truelly ruining the game for us. He also leads the war on RMT's.

If you would bother to look up who the real Mittani is, you would find that he is a professional that works in a nations capital. He is not going to jeapordize his real life with some crap from a computer game.

Its not the Mittani that has an issue with blurring the lines between reality and EVE Online. No, it is you. You think that because there are people that play this game with dark intentions that somehow in real life they are bad people.

I feel sorry for people like you. You guys get on the forums and scream for CCP to help or to ban or change the game mechanics, but you all fail to realize, sometimes in games you will loose, as in life. Thats how a sandbox game is meant to be played.

Oh, if I've offended you in some small way. I don't care. If you want to take it out on me in game, I live in Parses. I will honor your 1v1 and bring any boat you like, I fly them all, except the capitals.

I would give you a hug, seeing as how you need one, but you smell funny. Get out of your mothers basement and take a shower.

Have a nice day.


sticks and stone - boring - I dont care what he does in real life...hes not fit for the role - simple
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#22 - 2011-10-16 20:35:01 UTC
Mortis vonShadow wrote:
If you would bother to look up who the real Mittani is, you would find that he is a professional that works in a nations capital. He is not going to jeapordize his real life with some crap from a computer game.


Mortis vonShadow wrote:
he is a professional that works in a nations capital.


Mortis vonShadow wrote:
works in a nations capital.


Mortis vonShadow wrote:
works


wat.
don't get me wrong, i agree with your post. but wat.
Cyaxares II
Vectigalia Inc
#23 - 2011-10-16 20:36:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Cyaxares II
Headerman wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
pubbie


Quote:
Test Alliance Please Ignore


Hmmm....

Quote:
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#24 - 2011-10-16 20:38:46 UTC
Just Another Toon wrote:
Its total abuse of his CSM position
…how is his telling the goons to kill people an abuse of his CSM position?

As for the scams, why would he be trusted in-game just because of an out-of-game position?

Why would I trust the Goon (aka prolific scammer and generally untrustworthy guy, not to mention self-proclaimed spy-master) Mittens just because the Alexander is CSM chair?
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2011-10-16 20:38:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Drake Draconis
The OP is so angry...and at the same time embarrassed....he had to erase his topic from assembly hall. I see he's not doing so well here either.

That and he's hiding under an alt. Lol

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Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
#26 - 2011-10-16 20:40:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Mortis vonShadow
Just Another Toon wrote:
no wonder eve is dying cos ccp allows stuff like this to happen from the CSM Chair..


Its not players like The Mittani that is ruining EVE, its players like you.

And you know nothing of leadership. If you did, you wouldn't be blurring his role in game and his role out of game.

-1 to you for being less than perfect.

Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen.                   And some days, you're just a man with a gun.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#27 - 2011-10-16 20:40:20 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Just Another Toon wrote:
oh god - look everyone please ignore all post from TEST and GOONS...


Why? Just because they have "Goonswarm" or "TEST" under their portraits doesn't mean their opinions are less valid than yours... except that theirs are backed up by the current rules while yours is rooted on personal ethics/principles.
Which do you think matters at the end of the day?

How did you Veterans start?
Just Another Toon
Doomheim
#28 - 2011-10-16 20:41:10 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Just Another Toon wrote:
Its total abuse of his CSM position
…how is his telling the goons to kill people an abuse of his CSM position?

As for the scams, why would he be trusted in-game just because of an out-of-game position?

Why would I trust the Goon (aka prolific scammer and generally untrustworthy guy, not to mention self-proclaimed spy-master) Mittens just because the Alexander is CSM chair?


Out of game position being a member of CSM is an ingame position
Just Another Toon
Doomheim
#29 - 2011-10-16 20:41:41 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Just Another Toon wrote:
oh god - look everyone please ignore all post from TEST and GOONS...


Why? Just because they have "Goonswarm" or "TEST" under their portraits doesn't mean their opinions are less valid than yours... except that theirs are backed up by the current rules while yours is rooted on personal ethics/principles.
Which do you matters at the end of the day?


biased perhaps?
Nyio
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2011-10-16 20:42:57 UTC
+1 Guess I'd sign that.

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Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
#31 - 2011-10-16 20:43:05 UTC
Just Another Toon wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Just Another Toon wrote:
Its total abuse of his CSM position
…how is his telling the goons to kill people an abuse of his CSM position?

As for the scams, why would he be trusted in-game just because of an out-of-game position?

Why would I trust the Goon (aka prolific scammer and generally untrustworthy guy, not to mention self-proclaimed spy-master) Mittens just because the Alexander is CSM chair?


Out of game position being a member of CSM is an ingame position


How? Expand the thought please.

Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen.                   And some days, you're just a man with a gun.
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#32 - 2011-10-16 20:43:31 UTC
Just Another Toon wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Just Another Toon wrote:
Its total abuse of his CSM position
…how is his telling the goons to kill people an abuse of his CSM position?

As for the scams, why would he be trusted in-game just because of an out-of-game position?

Why would I trust the Goon (aka prolific scammer and generally untrustworthy guy, not to mention self-proclaimed spy-master) Mittens just because the Alexander is CSM chair?


Out of game position being a member of CSM is an ingame position


Except all the meetings etc are done out of game, person to person. not avatar to avatar.
if you're getting that line blurred, its time to take a break from the internet.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#33 - 2011-10-16 20:43:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Just Another Toon wrote:
Out of game position being a member of CSM is an ingame position
Ah. I think we've found the source of your confusion and why you accidentally trusted the wrong guy for the wrong reasons.

No.

RL ≠ game.


…and anyway, you can always trust The Mittani… as long as you trust him to do Mittaniesque things. Those are quite different from the CSM:y things that that Alex guy does.
Varesk
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2011-10-16 20:44:47 UTC
Just Another Toon wrote:
its seems goons are stirring up lots of problems with eve. Firstly he ordered the killing of gallente ice miners and now in C&P more scamming going on, plus the added goon scamming as a whole.

Its total abuse of his CSM position, where people will trust him. Its not on nor acceptable. CSM members are seen as people that hold some trust and this should not be allowed by any CSM member when they are in post. Mittani is abusing his power and is not fit to hold this post...

Even Vile Rat should be removed too...

no wonder eve is dying cos ccp allows stuff like this to happen from the CSM Chair..

Im sure many goons/alts will troll the thread so flame away - sticks and stones, but if you agree +1, i think its about time we stood up to this cr@p

I will also be filing an official petition and also be contacting as many MMO editorials as possible, to give this maximum exposure, on how much this is not right.

keep liking guys - even if you dont want to post ...


2/10

it would have been higher on the troll-o-meter but you have posted a lot in this thread.
Jon Swayne
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2011-10-16 20:45:29 UTC
Just Another Toon wrote:
its seems goons are stirring up lots of problems with eve. Firstly he ordered the killing of gallente ice miners and now in C&P more scamming going on, plus the added goon scamming as a whole.

Its total abuse of his CSM position, where people will trust him. Its not on nor acceptable. CSM members are seen as people that hold some trust and this should not be allowed by any CSM member when they are in post. Mittani is abusing his power and is not fit to hold this post...

Even Vile Rat should be removed too...

no wonder eve is dying cos ccp allows stuff like this to happen from the CSM Chair..

Im sure many goons/alts will troll the thread so flame away - sticks and stones, but if you agree +1, i think its about time we stood up to this cr@p

I will also be filing an official petition and also be contacting as many MMO editorials as possible, to give this maximum exposure, on how much this is not right.




-1

CSM simply represents the playerbase regarding CCP issues and gameplay decisions. Player-generated content that occurs within the rules and overall accepted style of EVE is not a conflict of interest with holding a CSM position. In fact, such behavior could be likened to "I'm a 2-year vet, you should trust me". Again, EVE is a game that is infamous for harboring, if not endorsing, scamming in general, if the only unfair advantage is the victim's own overdeveloped sense of trust and/or being "a moron in a hurry".

You are more than welcome to rant and rave about the price-fixing campaign, but it's no more despicable than the voting blocs that empower the CSM delegates we have now.


All that said, the Goons do write some interesting television...
Written Word
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2011-10-16 20:57:55 UTC
Just Another Toon should be removed from the forum.

This is why

1. Bad posting
2. Using the word toon.
Deopheel Dalonne
Eridu Productions
#37 - 2011-10-16 21:02:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Deopheel Dalonne
Tippia wrote:
RL ≠ game.

If only things were so simple ...

Behind each toon, there is a real person. And playing EvE is part of the "real life" of that person. How on earth can one imagine that who that person is in "real life" is not going to influence how he behaves in-game ? By the way, I thought that immersion and role playing were not that central to EvE game-play ...

The question regarding Goons (and many others) is this: Are they having fun playing EvE because:

1. They like piloting ships in space and fighting others and building POSes etc ... (in other words, they have "in-game" reasons for having fun) ?

or

2. They like spoiling the game for other people and making CCP look stupid and maybe bring the whole show to a stop just to show that they can ?

If the real reason why they are having fun playing EvE is option 2. above, it means that their "real life" motivations for playing EvE are stronger than whatever "in game" mask they put on may pretend. And these motivations are neither pretty nor to the advantage of other players.
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#38 - 2011-10-16 21:04:36 UTC
Deopheel Dalonne wrote:
Tippia wrote:
RL ≠ game.

1. They like piloting ships in space and fighting others and building POSes etc ... (in other words, they have "in-game" reasons for having fun) ?

or

2. They like spoiling the game for other people and making CCP look stupid and maybe bring the whole show to a stop just to show that they can ?


all of the above (except anything to do with a POS, ever).
Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#39 - 2011-10-16 21:08:33 UTC
The problem i have with Mittani as the head of the CSM is that he is a high-profile alliance leader, and i doubt that he would agree with changes for the sake of balance, if said changes were to somehow interfere with his own alliance, or disagree with changes that would affect his enemies more than it would his own ally. He cannot have an impartial opinion on most subjects he deals with as a CSM member.

But unfortunatly that is in the nature of the CSM election. Besides being chairman doesnt mean he gets the final word, only that he gets to pass it on. This CSM has some very good members, like seleene and white tree, and i trust their judgement.

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#40 - 2011-10-16 21:10:03 UTC
This thread pleases me.

I represent nullsec, hisec greifers, and anyone else who understands that EVE is a place for war and murder, not safety and weakness. As it happens, the voice of my constituents is far louder than the OP's cry for help; that is why I am the Chairman.

That I scam, kill, and gank and conquer are all reasons why my constituents feel that I represent their viewpoints accurately, and voted for me in the first place.

As for my RL, I was once an attorney in DC, but I retired and moved to Wisconsin last year.

~hi~