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Malirel Etalen
The Silver Exchange
#1 - 2012-09-26 07:39:36 UTC
I've read up on hulk and all the people whining about the now limited cargo. But the mackinaw has a huge ore hold and a 3,15 yield multiplyer..

I'm (now) a lone miner, mining Veldspar in a 0.6 system with a Retriever. I find my 1405 m^3 yield appealing but I'd like to step up my game. I only earn a million per 6 min, so I'd like to spend my money well on a new ship.

What do you guys suggest?
Should I mine more exciting ores with a cheap 26-35~ mil ship, wat do?
Belthazor4011
Battle BV Redux
#2 - 2012-09-26 08:21:19 UTC
Veld/Scor are about the best paying ores atm so you're good there.

Mack wins easily if you're a solo miner, Hulk gets slightly more but doesnt have the room for it so that means can or dock a lot.
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-09-26 10:43:49 UTC
The Mackinaw gets slightly more yield than a Retriever with a full-yield fit, which isn't recommended because Exhumers are more likely to be targeted by suicide gankers, and as such, need to be tanked somewhat better. The Retriever has a slightly smaller ore hold (at Mining Barge V, it holds 27,500 m3 of ore to the Mackinaw's 35,000), meaning it can't loiter in a belt for quite as long, but it will pay for itself much more quickly.

For "more exciting ores", you might even consider the Procurer or the Skiff, which are no longer the worthless hulls they used to be - they have respectable ore holds, they're relatively nimble, and they tank like bosses.

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#4 - 2012-09-26 11:54:18 UTC
0.6 system in a retriever is an invitation to get BBQ'ed it is nearly untankable with no mids, and i wouldn't mine in a mack in 0.6 system either, just not enough tank to survive, i wouldn't take a mack in anything lower then 0.8, and a retriever i would only use in a mission spawn or grav site, otherwise use a procurer or skiff for belt mining AND do tank it otherwise you'll get BBQ'ed.
Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
#5 - 2012-09-26 14:17:20 UTC
Piugattuk wrote:
0.6 system in a retriever is an invitation to get BBQ'ed it is nearly untankable with no mids,

But who's going to bother suicide ganking a Retriever? It's unlikely to be profitable, and you're not going to be getting many tears when you're only setting the miner back a couple of hours of work.
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#6 - 2012-09-26 14:31:59 UTC
Zor'katar wrote:
Piugattuk wrote:
0.6 system in a retriever is an invitation to get BBQ'ed it is nearly untankable with no mids,

But who's going to bother suicide ganking a Retriever? It's unlikely to be profitable, and you're not going to be getting many tears when you're only setting the miner back a couple of hours of work.

There is a breed called a griefer, somebody who does it for lolz, and get a hard epeen, and as your undocking some griefers come back because "the tears were sweet"
Idris Helion
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-09-26 14:36:32 UTC
Zor'katar wrote:
Piugattuk wrote:
0.6 system in a retriever is an invitation to get BBQ'ed it is nearly untankable with no mids,

But who's going to bother suicide ganking a Retriever? It's unlikely to be profitable, and you're not going to be getting many tears when you're only setting the miner back a couple of hours of work.


That's why I fly Rets rather than Macks in most cases. The Macks get a bit more yield, but the Rets are in the same ballpark and cost a hell of a lot less. Same goes for a Covetor over a Hulk.

Losing a Mack would hurt; losting a Retriever is a "so what?" deal. I can buy ten Rets for the price of a single Mack. A Mack makes sense if you spend a lot of time in dodgy hisec systems or close to well-known ganking spots, and it can carry two full flights of drones -- one set of combat drones, and one set of mining drones. The Ret can only carry a single flight of drones, so you have to choose between protection or greater yield.

The single mid slot of a Retriever doesn't bother me much. You can put a roid scanner in it, or an invuln, but I normally just leave it empty. Same with rigs: I don't bother rigging Retrievers because there's not much point to it. (You might want to put an ice mining rig in it if you're doing a lot of ice mining, though.)

If you're a solo miner, the Mack or Ret wins hands-down over a Hulk because of the huge ore bay. Less trips to station means better yield. The equation tips if you have more than three miners in your crew, though -- it's better to fly Orca-boosted Hulks if you have four or more miners going.
Robert De'Arneth
#8 - 2012-09-26 14:44:50 UTC
Piugattuk wrote:
Zor'katar wrote:
Piugattuk wrote:
0.6 system in a retriever is an invitation to get BBQ'ed it is nearly untankable with no mids,

But who's going to bother suicide ganking a Retriever? It's unlikely to be profitable, and you're not going to be getting many tears when you're only setting the miner back a couple of hours of work.

There is a breed called a griefer, somebody who does it for lolz, and get a hard epeen, and as your undocking some griefers come back because "the tears were sweet"



I think you are over blowing the gank factor by a lot. Pay attention to local, and you are fine. As was pointed out , who cares if you lose a ret? You are looking at what, about 60 mins to replace a ret ?

The best way to stop someone for talking smack, is to not ever respond. Also, never ever forget the simple rule #19, do not ever talk in local.

I'm a nerd, you can check my stats!! Skilling Int/Mem at 45 sp per minute is how I mack!     I'm like a lapdog, all bark no bite. 
Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
#9 - 2012-09-26 14:44:52 UTC
Piugattuk wrote:
There is a breed called a griefer, somebody who does it for lolz, and get a hard epeen, and as your undocking some griefers come back because "the tears were sweet"

That's what I'm saying, though. These ships are cheap enough that there aren't really going to be tears.
Idris Helion
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-09-26 15:13:23 UTC
Zor'katar wrote:
Piugattuk wrote:
There is a breed called a griefer, somebody who does it for lolz, and get a hard epeen, and as your undocking some griefers come back because "the tears were sweet"

That's what I'm saying, though. These ships are cheap enough that there aren't really going to be tears.


Yep. Losing a Retriever barely interrupts my flow. I've got four more back in the station, fitted the exact same way. Ganker gets Concorded, I get right back out in the belt and continue on as if nothing happened. (And my pathetic little Ret doesn't even make for a good killmail -- no pimped fittings, and no loot other than ore and maybe some mining crystals. Enjoy the drop, boys!)
Skorpynekomimi
#11 - 2012-09-26 16:04:17 UTC
The Mackinaw has a higher yield than an equivalent fit hulk, ONCE YOU FACTOR IN WARPING TO STATION AND BACK WHEN MINING SOLO.
If you have an orca about, it's worth it to own a hulk.

Economic PVP
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#12 - 2012-09-26 17:48:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Piugattuk
Listen, fly what you wish but remember there are tards in this game who kill a rookie ship just because, if not using a layered approach for defense to keep vermin away its only a matter of time till they visit yes losing a retriever is meh but i like giving NADA to such folks.
Bommel McMurdoc
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-09-26 18:59:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Bommel McMurdoc
if solo mining, go with mackinaw.

either decision you make, try not to ignore the importance of putting defense modules on the mining barge. Protect your investment. as tempting as it may be to fit your lows with mining laser upgrades, you really should use a Damage control mod.