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NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#61 - 2012-09-26 13:28:56 UTC
You know the easiest solution to this, afk anything and possibly even bots(for a bit) would be to just have an afk timer like most other games.
No action in say 15 minutes(no typing no movement no interaction) and suddenly "You have been disconnected"
Solves so many issues in the game
And it will have 0 zero effect on anyone actually playing


Why hasn't this been done?
SeaSaw
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#62 - 2012-09-26 14:03:59 UTC
Good Sirs;

I am tired of just logging on to refill my training queue.
I haven't been able to spend much time on this great game and I don't know how to play much of it.
However, I would enjoy going afk while cloaked.

Can someone briefly explain to me the minimum set-up I need to do this (I don't want to pose a real threat and I won't be really gathering intel, I just want to cloak afk and be pretty sure I am having some effect)?

Can you also explain where I go to do this (I am in hek with my rifter right now).

I have plenty of money (I just buy Plex now that I understand there are two kinds).

your humble servent
SeaSaw
Robert De'Arneth
#63 - 2012-09-26 14:12:43 UTC
SeaSaw wrote:
Good Sirs;

I am tired of just logging on to refill my training queue.
I haven't been able to spend much time on this great game and I don't know how to play much of it.
However, I would enjoy going afk while cloaked.

Can someone briefly explain to me the minimum set-up I need to do this (I don't want to pose a real threat and I won't be really gathering intel, I just want to cloak afk and be pretty sure I am having some effect)?

Can you also explain where I go to do this (I am in hek with my rifter right now).

I have plenty of money (I just buy Plex now that I understand there are two kinds).

your humble servent
SeaSaw


Frig V , Spaceship command III , Electronic Upgrades V , Electronics, and Engineering II, Covert ops I, and Cloaking I.

As to where, anywhere where you want to have somone make a post about AFK cloaking.

A real valid reason for AFK cloaking is to save the ore, if people are nervous they may move and not mine there, and that is a good thing imho.

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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#64 - 2012-09-26 14:33:40 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:
You know the easiest solution to this, afk anything and possibly even bots(for a bit) would be to just have an afk timer like most other games.
No action in say 15 minutes(no typing no movement no interaction) and suddenly "You have been disconnected"
Solves so many issues in the game
And it will have 0 zero effect on anyone actually playing


Why hasn't this been done?


Because there are plenty of valid reasons you might be "afk" for longer than 15 minutes which this would break.

Fly a freighter much? I was moving a bunch of crap around last night. So if I set an autopilot to Jita I'd now have to go click in the window every 15 min just so i don't disconnect for the 90min autopilot session?

Recon, I've sat cloaked off someones POS in a WH for extended periods of time just gathering intel. I am at my computer, ususally doing something else with EVE on another screen just watching. I'm not moving on purpose and then 15min later YAY, I get disconnected while 100km from their pos. That's always fun.

Here's a fun fact. As everyone knows WH space has no local. So you never know if you have a cloaky in system (you can have certain levels of certainty but rarely 100%. So you have to operate assuming you are being watched. So just pretend your local is down and operate the same way. Problem solved.
Aralyn Cormallen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#65 - 2012-09-26 15:46:21 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:
You know the easiest solution to this, afk anything and possibly even bots(for a bit) would be to just have an afk timer like most other games.
No action in say 15 minutes(no typing no movement no interaction) and suddenly "You have been disconnected"
Solves so many issues in the game
And it will have 0 zero effect on anyone actually playing


Why hasn't this been done?


If I were you, I'd have a chat with anyone whose ever engaged in sov warfare regularly.

"The station will be out of reinforce in a few minutes, there enemy fleets a few jumps out, get ready too... what the ****, why have 100 people just disconnected. Crap, have we been in this POS 15 minutes?"
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#66 - 2012-09-26 16:01:23 UTC
moving your mouse is sufficient to disrupt the 15 minute count down.
If you are telling me you cant jiggle the mouse every 15 minutes, shame on you.
As for autopiloting I figure that would be a simple when autopilot =1 then timer set =99999

So that unless you manage to make an autopilot course that spans past dt you wont have an issue

Also it is called recon not sit outside and alt tab every once in a while to see what is maybe happening.
Consider it an incentive to do your job correctly.
Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#67 - 2012-09-26 18:41:05 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:
You know the easiest solution to this, afk anything and possibly even bots(for a bit) would be to just have an afk timer like most other games.
No action in say 15 minutes(no typing no movement no interaction) and suddenly "You have been disconnected"
Solves so many issues in the game
And it will have 0 zero effect on anyone actually playing


Why hasn't this been done?


Cause eve is a methodical game, not counter strike.
Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#68 - 2012-09-26 22:10:42 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:
moving your mouse is sufficient to disrupt the 15 minute count down.
If you are telling me you cant jiggle the mouse every 15 minutes, shame on you.
As for autopiloting I figure that would be a simple when autopilot =1 then timer set =99999

So that unless you manage to make an autopilot course that spans past dt you wont have an issue

Also it is called recon not sit outside and alt tab every once in a while to see what is maybe happening.
Consider it an incentive to do your job correctly.


That's just ridiculous, you'd expect someone in their spare time to spend say 5 hours (a significant enough period to actually see something) literally sat in front of a screen jiggling the mouse around so they're not disconnected, doing literally nothing else? For instance you play CoD you ignore your texts until you die. Would you ignore texts whilst sat cloaked in EVE and not moving?

If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.

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NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#69 - 2012-09-26 23:19:36 UTC  |  Edited by: NEONOVUS
Moonlit Raid wrote:
NEONOVUS wrote:
moving your mouse is sufficient to disrupt the 15 minute count down.
If you are telling me you cant jiggle the mouse every 15 minutes, shame on you.
As for autopiloting I figure that would be a simple when autopilot =1 then timer set =99999

So that unless you manage to make an autopilot course that spans past dt you wont have an issue

Also it is called recon not sit outside and alt tab every once in a while to see what is maybe happening.
Consider it an incentive to do your job correctly.


That's just ridiculous, you'd expect someone in their spare time to spend say 5 hours (a significant enough period to actually see something) literally sat in front of a screen jiggling the mouse around so they're not disconnected, doing literally nothing else? For instance you play CoD you ignore your texts until you die. Would you ignore texts whilst sat cloaked in EVE and not moving?



So how will you see anything in those 5 hours if you arent there to jiggle a mouse?
I dont think you understand how little is needed to have you at the computer for
Also I dont own any COD I have BF3 and Crysis 2

And by texts do you mean from a phone?
If you devote all your attention to that, how can you notice if the enemy does anything interesting?


Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
Cause eve is a methodical game, not counter strike.

Which has rules against being afk and reaping rewards.
Excepting autopilot & mining
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#70 - 2012-09-26 23:41:39 UTC
Annubis Lorn wrote:
It's one thing when you fly around in cloaked ships from system to system, but to park your ship in an enemy system and go AFK isn't combat, it's not gameplay, it's childish and stupid, and should really be changed.


Denying you of the ability to make isk is a valid tactic. Besides, if 10 ratters are scared of 1 cloaked ship, then AFK cloaking is not the problem.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#71 - 2012-09-26 23:47:59 UTC
SeaSaw wrote:
Good Sirs;

I am tired of just logging on to refill my training queue.
I haven't been able to spend much time on this great game and I don't know how to play much of it.
However, I would enjoy going afk while cloaked.

Can someone briefly explain to me the minimum set-up I need to do this (I don't want to pose a real threat and I won't be really gathering intel, I just want to cloak afk and be pretty sure I am having some effect)?

Can you also explain where I go to do this (I am in hek with my rifter right now).

I have plenty of money (I just buy Plex now that I understand there are two kinds).

your humble servent
SeaSaw


A noobship with a cloak.

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kraiklyn Asatru
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#72 - 2012-09-27 00:24:22 UTC
Srsly screw that.. disconnecting after 15min?? thats ********. You telling me I cant even take a nice long **** without disconnecting. I need my biobreaks
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#73 - 2012-09-27 01:17:41 UTC
Move to HS.. you'll be safer there Roll
Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#74 - 2012-09-27 01:36:12 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:
Moonlit Raid wrote:
[quote=NEONOVUS] [quote=Seraph IX Basarab]Cause eve is a methodical game, not counter strike.

Which has rules against being afk and reaping rewards.
Excepting autopilot & mining



You make any money afk cloaking? No? Guess your point is irrelevant then.
Hirimatsu Yamamoto
AGGRESSIVE ASSET RELOCATION
#75 - 2012-09-27 03:12:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Hirimatsu Yamamoto
I am going to assume this person does not live in Null sec.

The idea is unfounded. What purpose does this serve?

What benefit is this to anyone but the OP who seems to find it necessary to whine about a perfectly functional game mechanic? The purpose of the cloak is so you can not be seen. So what if they go AFK? If they are AFK, they are not shooting at you.

Making it possible to track down AFK cloakers (or simply knocking them out of cloak) is an unfair mechanic to anyone who lives in Null in my opinion. Not everyone has the luxury of station tanking like the OP does.
Hirimatsu Yamamoto
AGGRESSIVE ASSET RELOCATION
#76 - 2012-09-27 03:13:35 UTC
Cage Man wrote:
Move to HS.. you'll be safer there Roll


You just have to watch out for thos AFK miners, and AFK Mission runners.....
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#77 - 2012-09-27 03:43:18 UTC  |  Edited by: NEONOVUS
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
You make any money afk cloaking? No? Guess your point is irrelevant then.

So if you make no money why do it? <-baited answer

You are obviously gaining something by freaking other people out.
If they stop making money, you have removed that amount from their war chest just as much as if you blew it up.
That is the missed point

kraiklyn Asatru wrote:
Srsly screw that.. disconnecting after 15min?? thats ********. You telling me I cant even take a nice long **** without disconnecting. I need my biobreaks

Dude if you are in the can, what does it matter if the client shuts down???
You arent at it!
which is you know the whole point.
Also if its good enough for the navy to be done in under 7 minutes, its good enough for you.
Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#78 - 2012-09-27 03:49:43 UTC
There is no missed point. Your argument is crap. Eve is all about risk. Part of that risk is that there may be someone hunting you. Deal with it or go sit in high sec.
Hirimatsu Yamamoto
AGGRESSIVE ASSET RELOCATION
#79 - 2012-09-27 03:50:50 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
You make any money afk cloaking? No? Guess your point is irrelevant then.

So if you make no money why do it? <-baited answer

You are obviously gaining something by freaking other people out.
If they stop making money, you have removed that amount from their war chest just as much as if you blew it up.
That is the missed point

kraiklyn Asatru wrote:
Srsly screw that.. disconnecting after 15min?? thats ********. You telling me I cant even take a nice long **** without disconnecting. I need my biobreaks

Dude if you are in the can, what does it matter if the client shuts down???
You arent at it!
which is you know the whole point.
Also if its good enough for the navy to be done in under 7 minutes, its good enough for you.


You do it because not everyone has a station to dock up to when the moment arises to go AFK.

I mean, seriously, why is this even a topic of discussion. Cloaked is cloaked. What does it matter if you are AFK or not.

And, because it is a pain in the a** having to reload the client just because you needed to step away for a moment.

In my opinion, AFK cloak is no different than AFK station tanking.

Hirimatsu Yamamoto
AGGRESSIVE ASSET RELOCATION
#80 - 2012-09-27 03:51:13 UTC
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
There is no missed point. Your argument is crap. Eve is all about risk. Part of that risk is that there may be someone hunting you. Deal with it or go sit in high sec.


This ^