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Making the Prophecy work
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I'm Down
Macabre Votum
Northern Coalition.
#1 - 2012-09-25 20:22:24 UTC  |  Edited by: I'm Down
Going forward, the obvious problem between the prophecy and maller is going to be, slightly more cost, for more umph if you choose to give them the same bonus.

Rather than do that, I would give the Prophecy a different kind of damage bonus that makes it more parallel with the Apoc, yet keeps its resistance.

So the solution would be:

15% per level optimal bonus
5% per level resistance bonus

6 turrets
+50 PG
+15 CPU
Lock range 48km base


What those features do is provide a niche that neither steals from the Pulse Zealot that gets a double damage bonus, nor the Maller which will be the pure damge/tank ship with slightly higher dps potential but less range with pulses.

I've set the targeting range really low to help reduce the ease of fitting for pure range w/o trading off some slot somewhere.

With 3 heat sinks, this setup would top out at 329 dps out to 56km range with pulses, but only top out around 460 with conflag. Both benchmarks lower than either the zealot or a 5 beam maller's lvl 5 potentials.

It's also going to run into Capacitor problems due to the removal of the Laser capacitor bonus. Unbonused Pulses are something like 20-28 cap per second with max skills and ammo choices.
Doddy
Excidium.
#2 - 2012-09-25 20:25:41 UTC
Other than the maller being faster, more agile and having a smaller sig, like the same difference between most cruisers and bcs?
Shade Alidiana
PROSPERO Corporation
#3 - 2012-09-26 09:46:20 UTC
Prophecy really needs something done with it, yes.. I like this thing, pulse lasers are the only way to get some dps from proph right now, but their range is awful (combined with the speed of proph this is an issue). With optimal bonus I may like it, yes. CCP, you wanted to give amarrans some love?..
Danel Tosh
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-09-26 12:48:38 UTC
Give the ammarians some decent medium beam lasers for the prophecy and it could become the armor tanked version of what the drake was for shield tankers. Imagine, INVASION OF THE SPACE CHICKENS!!!
Crazy KSK
Tsunami Cartel
#5 - 2012-09-26 15:09:02 UTC
ccp is most likely gonna do with the prophecy what they said they'd do with the maller

+5% to resists per level
+5% to damage per level

Quote CCP Fozzie: ... The days of balance and forget are over.
I'm Down
Macabre Votum
Northern Coalition.
#6 - 2012-09-26 15:14:56 UTC
Crazy KSK wrote:
ccp is most likely gonna do with the prophecy what they said they'd do with the maller

+5% to resists per level
+5% to damage per level


and yet, I swear my very first line addresses why they shouldn't
Kaikka Carel
Ziea
#7 - 2012-09-26 18:06:20 UTC
Prophecy is already outmatched by the Harbinger as a laser platform. How about giving a HAM bonus instead?

5% armor ressist plus 5% HAM RoF as well as some stat buffs could make it a viable option and a steppig stone towards the Khanid T2 ships.
Lallante
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#8 - 2012-09-26 18:47:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Lallante
I agree with HAM platform - Amarr are missing a t1 missile option that steps towards Damnation, Prophecy etc.
I'm Down
Macabre Votum
Northern Coalition.
#9 - 2012-09-27 00:50:22 UTC
There is no t1 missile platform for Amarr for a reason. Just like there is no cruiser platform, no destroyer platform, no battleship platform, and for the better part of eve history, there was also no frigate platform.

the only missile platforms ever were T2.
Kaikka Carel
Ziea
#10 - 2012-09-27 04:43:38 UTC
I'm Down wrote:
There is no t1 missile platform for Amarr for a reason. Just like there is no cruiser platform, no destroyer platform, no battleship platform, and for the better part of eve history, there was also no frigate platform.

the only missile platforms ever were T2.


Care to state that reason?
Eckyy
Fourth District Sentinels
The Caldari Fourth District
#11 - 2012-09-27 05:03:32 UTC
Kaikka Carel wrote:
I'm Down wrote:
There is no t1 missile platform for Amarr for a reason. Just like there is no cruiser platform, no destroyer platform, no battleship platform, and for the better part of eve history, there was also no frigate platform.

the only missile platforms ever were T2.


Care to state that reason?


Amarr use drones as their secondary weapon.

Amarr = lasers and drones
Minmatar = projectiles and missiles
Caldari = missiles and hybrids
Gallente = hybrids and drones


There are exceptions, but if you give each race too many weapon systems, the skillpoints to use them becomes out of line.
King Rothgar
Deadly Solutions
#12 - 2012-09-27 06:20:48 UTC
5% damage and 5% resist per level is the most sensible and balanced approach.

The idea is simple: Punisher, maller, Prophecy, Abaddon for one line. On the other line is: some frig, omen, harbinger, armageddon. It makes perfect sense.

[u]Fireworks and snowballs are great, but what I really want is a corpse launcher.[/u]
I'm Down
Macabre Votum
Northern Coalition.
#13 - 2012-09-27 22:42:15 UTC
King Rothgar wrote:
5% damage and 5% resist per level is the most sensible and balanced approach.

The idea is simple: Punisher, maller, Prophecy, Abaddon for one line. On the other line is: some frig, omen, harbinger, armageddon. It makes perfect sense.



it's not the most sensible approach when you have 2 CR damage boats that only slightly differ in style. Prophecy needs a more unique role... hence apoc/abaddon hybrid.