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As a player, I probably won't shoot drones. Because I can hurt the tanked mothership that spawned them. As an NPC, with no chance at all to hurt that tank, but with the capability of hurting the drones, I would.

I can either waste my fire shooting the tank. Or, kill the drones. This is not PvP where they are equals, these are Non Pod Characters :)

Same goes for the Tengu/Manticore setup. Those 4 cruisers, 12 frigates and 2 battleships might not have chance killing the Tengu but they sure as hell can chew up the Manti.

Why would it be a good idea for me to be aple to operate without any risk if it would only take one or two shots to kill my Manticore?

The thing is, what is dull about PvE is the predictability. I think generals and commanders all over the world would be thrilled to know exactly how the enemy is going to react. In Eve we can. I'd love for that to be taken away.

Of course they are not the enemy. They shoot at me because they like me.

Since when is Eve a PvP only game? There are lots of players that play PvE for the fun of playing PvE. Not all is PvP.

Why is that sad? Geez, it's a game, if people have fun running missions in hi-sec, let them. Not up to me to tell another how the game should be played. I can see the fun in running missions, nothing sad about it.

I don't see the fun in maintaining hour long gate cams, or suicide ganking, or scanning down people in plexes and jumping in with overwhelming force. Yet, there are people who do those things. Let them I say. That's the way they enjoy Eve, and they pay, one way or the other, the same for their accounts as me.

I have most my fun running plexes with friend these days. Yes, that's PvE. So what.



Every time you undock you consent to PvP in Eve. I like that. Nothing should be risk free.
You'll not hear me complaining when I get shot down by another player. The risk is part of the fun.

The sad part is that they're spending money, every month, to play a game which has worse mechanics than most singleplayer resource management games has. Hell, I can even argue that dwarf fortress would be a better game for a lot of people than EVE is, if all they want is a resource management game. And it's free.

You know, I fully appreciate the fact that you can no longer bring your newbie friends into missions. But once more, why should NPC's be nice enough to ignore small, easy kills like that. Eve is a harsh universe, if the 'rats attack you, why not your friends?

So farming in Eve shouldn't be more enjoyable? Its main purpose is gaining isk, so it should just be dull because it's outside PvP and therefore not a DESIGNATED FUN ZONE? Eve is a game. I'd say making it play like one is more important than minmaxing your boring grind sessions.

A whole designated section of gameplay that exists not to be fun but solely to make PvP money is bad game design. CCP is taking a step away from that, and they shouldn't get cold feet because change is inefficient for isk/hr.

How is it going to make farming less dull, when the change is not virtually but absolutely unnoticeable by your average Tengu flying ISK farmer? Except that he is now also saved from ninja salvagers and in low/nullsec from PvP pilots?

I am saying that is one way to threaten them. They really hate ewar and logistics as well. They should actually hate ewar the most I think. Followed by logistics.

Hmm, that does seem like a real world test of the missions then ... most guys running level 3 blockade in a myrm have every skill maxed and all.

I don't see how forcing drone users to micro-manage stuff is more fun.

When I do missions, I dual box a mach and a tengu. Both are tanked to withstand anything the missions provides and the missiles from the tengu (usually FoFs because I'm lazy) means I don't have to screw with the game's horrible drone interface at all. Hell, even with the HML nerf, being able to put tracking comps on my tengu means I'll mission FASTER and in the exact same way this winter lol.

This change doesn't affect my mission running in any way at all, hell it makes it SAFER because of what would probably turn out to be always spilt aggro.

I'm all for the goal of making pve more fun, but this change doesn't do any of that, makes it more tedious for other pve players (drone users) and invites a whole slate of unintended consequences in other areas of pve (like the high end DED plexes, alt and ninja salvaging ect ect) and may even affect player retention as it becomes harder for us PVE vets to shepard our newbie players along as we were when we started.

The guy who introduced me to EVE let me tag along in my Belicose while he did lvl4s in a Navy Raven, this helped get me into the game, unlike the 1st time when I tried EVe basically solo, got overwhelmed and quit.

So, please Eloque, tell me what about this proposed changed it actually good for us pve players?