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Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#21 - 2012-09-14 04:40:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Paikis
Shaotuk wrote:
Coming from a pilot that has flown both, I can say, without a doubt, a Tengu is much faster at clearing missions compared to a CNR. You might want to learn the difference between max DPS and applied DPS.


Coming from a pilot that has flown both, you need to get some Rigor and Flare rigs on your CNR. The CNR is a fair bit infront of the Tengu for most missions. The only ones where the Tengu is going to be better are missions with long travel distances, and they are few and far between.

Having said that, guns are just plain better for everything. OP, train for a Nightmare (or machariel /puke), and thank me later.
Shaotuk
Sin City Enterprises
#22 - 2012-09-14 05:46:15 UTC
Dennis Gregs wrote:
Just the fact that I have to 'worry' about frigates offputs me from Tengu in missions, I prefer to semi afk with my Raven tbh. It might be cool for a change of pace though, ymmv.


Put 2 rigors and 1 flare rigs and you don't have to worry at all about frigates.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-09-14 15:08:13 UTC
Shaotuk wrote:
Dennis Gregs wrote:
Just the fact that I have to 'worry' about frigates offputs me from Tengu in missions, I prefer to semi afk with my Raven tbh. It might be cool for a change of pace though, ymmv.


Put 2 rigors and 1 flare rigs and you don't have to worry at all about frigates.

this is true. with good skills and equipment, you can oneshot frigs and twoshot elite frigs.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Velarra
#24 - 2012-09-14 17:32:03 UTC
Dennis Gregs wrote:
Just the fact that I have to 'worry' about frigates offputs me from Tengu in missions, I prefer to semi afk with my Raven tbh. It might be cool for a change of pace though, ymmv.


You can easily brick tank a Tengu however sharing such fits may get some negative feedback from DPS is tank pilots.
At the same time, if you're a CNR pilot, who wants to try something different yet have RL interruption options you may want to take a look at the Scorpion Navy Issue.
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-09-16 18:32:34 UTC
A mission tengu basically needs

Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Accelerated Ejection Bay

for 6x launcher slots

then fill up with (or whatever else takes your fancy)
Amplification Node
Fuel Catalyst
Dissolution Sequencer

to give you 6 mids and 4 lows.
Rainbow Room
Doomheim
#26 - 2012-09-18 09:51:57 UTC
Velarra wrote:
Dennis Gregs wrote:
Just the fact that I have to 'worry' about frigates offputs me from Tengu in missions, I prefer to semi afk with my Raven tbh. It might be cool for a change of pace though, ymmv.


You can easily brick tank a Tengu however sharing such fits may get some negative feedback from DPS is tank pilots.
At the same time, if you're a CNR pilot, who wants to try something different yet have RL interruption options you may want to take a look at the Scorpion Navy Issue.

That's actually where I'd kinda started in terms of Battleships. I've personally not got a lot of love for the Scorp when it comes to PvE.

Nightmare is another option but one I'm taking my other alt down (purely as they're T2 laser trained and have a fair amount of shield skills while this account is more or less missiles and hyrbids).

I'll play around with fittings and see what I can come up with. Currently trawling though lvl 2 missions as attempting to get a corp in every faction to lvl 4. Will pickup a tengu at lvl 3 agents
MarvinOne
Zilog Enterprises
#27 - 2012-09-18 10:41:39 UTC
In a L4 Tengu You really want to get frigs down very fast (especially when they web u)
and I prefer 3 lows and 7 mids: with 2 painters u can paint and shoot at 2 frigs at the same time

Low:
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Mid:
Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Dread Guristas EM Ward Field
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
High :
Heavy Missile Launcher II,Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II,Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II,Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II,Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II,Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II,Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Rigs:
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II
Modules:
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
sakara123
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#28 - 2012-09-20 17:26:05 UTC
Jack Traynor wrote:
Rainbow Room wrote:
Hey,

I've been toying with flying a Tengu for level 4 missions. I'm currently sat in a Navy Raven but figured I'd quite like a change.
I've never flown a Tengu but I'm at the stage where all the subsystems are at level 4 and understand the concept that speed and movement is key for this ship.

Are lvl 4 subsystem skills good enough for the to do lvl 4 missions or should I train them all to level 5?

Thoughts?


My initial fit would be running with T2 everything (so t2 mid slots, t2 Heavy Assaults or t2 heavy missile and t2 low slots). Something like:

5 x Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Target Painter II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
2 x T2 hardeners (npc specific)
10MN Afterburner
3 x Ballistic Control System II





L4 is good enough, but you will actually see a difference in your performance with all L5 on the subsystems. I didn't think it would make a difference going to five, but it really is. Can't say this for other ships, personally.


yeah trust me level 5 is worth it, got an extra 105 dps on my tengu when i did
Ishen Villone
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2012-09-20 19:26:27 UTC
You want Offensive V for the DPS increase
You want Defensive V for the tank increase
You want Propulsion V for the speed increase (which is itself a tank increase)
You want Electronics V for the sensor strength increase
You want Engineering V for the capacitor increase (which is itself a tank increase)
Byron Squared
FCI Solvents
#30 - 2012-09-22 18:49:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Byron Squared
Really? No comment about the proposed heavy missile nerf?

Wouldn't think that this is the right time for anyone to be buying a new tengu/training for it........

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=155029

25% range nerf and 20% damage nerf........+ TD (from sansha etc) kill your range/ability to hit small targets.......
nahjustwarpin
SUPER DUPER SPACE TRUCKS
#31 - 2012-09-22 19:23:53 UTC
Byron Squared wrote:
Really? No comment about the proposed heavy missile nerf?

Wouldn't think that this is the right time for anyone to be buying a new tengu/training for it........

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=155029

25% range nerf and 20% damage nerf........+ TD (from sansha etc) kill your range/ability to hit small targets.......


finally
Ginger Barbarella
#32 - 2012-09-22 21:59:04 UTC
Dennis Gregs wrote:
Just the fact that I have to 'worry' about frigates offputs me from Tengu in missions, I prefer to semi afk with my Raven tbh. It might be cool for a change of pace though, ymmv.


Switch from Rage to Precision. Fast frigates aren't an issue then.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Hypercake Mix
#33 - 2012-09-22 22:01:36 UTC
Byron Squared wrote:
Really? No comment about the proposed heavy missile nerf?

Wouldn't think that this is the right time for anyone to be buying a new tengu/training for it........

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=155029

25% range nerf and 20% damage nerf........+ TD (from sansha etc) kill your range/ability to hit small targets.......

The range nerf is manageable by pimping the fit a bit more. The damage nerf, however, is not. HAMs aren't really an option either since they're bad at killing frigates too.
Barrak
The Painted Ones
#34 - 2012-09-22 23:10:41 UTC
A Tengu for L4's is going to be good and bad(ish).

The nerf to range isn't going to be pleasant but is very manageable with good skills (range and subs).

Also.... the change to Pirate AI means they will start taking down drones and because a good mission Tengu fit shouldn't have drones, this won't be an issue, whereas for Battlies ships etc, you will start losing drones.

The issue you face is that I wouldn't fly one in the new missions without being at Subs 5. I also wouldn't pimp one without being at Subs 5.

So.... Subs 5 is my advice.

Regards
Byron Squared
FCI Solvents
#35 - 2012-09-23 00:40:05 UTC
Barrak wrote:

Also.... the change to Pirate AI means they will start taking down drones and because a good mission Tengu fit shouldn't have drones, this won't be an issue, whereas for Battlies ships etc, you will start losing drones.
Regards


Some of the classic turret BS (read NM/Paladin) use drones very little - only for frigs that get in close - so won't be effected all that much. Besides, lights can get back pretty quickly if they aren't webbed and, if they are working on the webbing frigates, they won't be far away.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#36 - 2012-09-23 18:19:33 UTC
Rainbow Room wrote:
Hey,

I've been toying with flying a Tengu for level 4 missions. I'm currently sat in a Navy Raven but figured I'd quite like a change.
I've never flown a Tengu but I'm at the stage where all the subsystems are at level 4 and understand the concept that speed and movement is key for this ship.

Are lvl 4 subsystem skills good enough for the to do lvl 4 missions or should I train them all to level 5?

Thoughts?


My initial fit would be running with T2 everything (so t2 mid slots, t2 Heavy Assaults or t2 heavy missile and t2 low slots). Something like:

5 x Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Target Painter II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
2 x T2 hardeners (npc specific)
10MN Afterburner
3 x Ballistic Control System II





Tengu is OK for l4's. With your current skills what is the DPS and what is the tank? I guess since you're running AB tank doesn't have to be that good, but if the dps is > 500 it could cause a problem.

Tengus are great for the "rushing" missions that you do for just LP.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Signal11th
#37 - 2012-09-25 12:08:18 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Anvil44 wrote:
I run with Heavy Missle Launcher myself. I can hit out to about 115km or so and still put out over 500dps kinetic damage.


Honestly, you should be able to get 500 non-kinetic DPS out of any mission Tengu, especially any high sec build. Hell, I get 500 non-kinetic on a low sec exploration build. A brief look says that 724 is a pretty good baseline for a well-skilled mission Tengu provided you're running in high sec.



I'd imagine thats 724 with implants as my tengu skills are perfect apart for HML Spes lvl 5 and I get 686dps with no implants.

It's mor elike perfect-skilled not well-skilled to get 724.

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!
Rainbow Room
Doomheim
#38 - 2012-09-25 13:40:22 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:


Tengu is OK for l4's. With your current skills what is the DPS and what is the tank? I guess since you're running AB tank doesn't have to be that good, but if the dps is > 500 it could cause a problem.

Tengus are great for the "rushing" missions that you do for just LP.

Not too sure to be honest, I need to run it through EFT. I'd image the DPS would be quite high as pretty much all missile skills are at lvl 5 and the specialist (i.e. t2 related ones) are at lvl 4.

I'm still in two minds about this to be honest. With the upcoming changes to heavies and the changes to AI I wonder how feasible the Tengu will be for Lvl4's or if it's just worth sticking with the CNR.
Signal11th
#39 - 2012-09-25 13:55:20 UTC
Rainbow Room wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:


Tengu is OK for l4's. With your current skills what is the DPS and what is the tank? I guess since you're running AB tank doesn't have to be that good, but if the dps is > 500 it could cause a problem.

Tengus are great for the "rushing" missions that you do for just LP.

Not too sure to be honest, I need to run it through EFT. I'd image the DPS would be quite high as pretty much all missile skills are at lvl 5 and the specialist (i.e. t2 related ones) are at lvl 4.

I'm still in two minds about this to be honest. With the upcoming changes to heavies and the changes to AI I wonder how feasible the Tengu will be for Lvl4's or if it's just worth sticking with the CNR.



Still be feasible just a bit slower.

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!
serras bang
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#40 - 2012-09-30 18:46:23 UTC
Rainbow Room wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:


Tengu is OK for l4's. With your current skills what is the DPS and what is the tank? I guess since you're running AB tank doesn't have to be that good, but if the dps is > 500 it could cause a problem.

Tengus are great for the "rushing" missions that you do for just LP.

Not too sure to be honest, I need to run it through EFT. I'd image the DPS would be quite high as pretty much all missile skills are at lvl 5 and the specialist (i.e. t2 related ones) are at lvl 4.

I'm still in two minds about this to be honest. With the upcoming changes to heavies and the changes to AI I wonder how feasible the Tengu will be for Lvl4's or if it's just worth sticking with the CNR.


t2 missle dmg shouldnt change to much if your using furrys on the tengu and ai will not change if you solo missions the only people affected by the new ai is groups and multiple account runners.
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