Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I have gone over the feedback and will try to address all of the subjects raised here:


Q: What are you doing about the issue regarding when you are not in range of containers and it goes to your cargo hold instead?
A: We are marking that as a defect, but additionally we are also planning to give users better visual feedback on range of containers. The current default behavior when you can't access something anymore, is to revert to the default inventory location, which in this case is your Cargo hold. That will now be fixed so that it simply closes the inventory window when you are out of range from the inventory you are viewing.

Q: Why does the cargo hold of my active ship not persist?
A: This has been marked as a defect as well, we agree that when you have the Cargo hold of your active ship tucked away somewhere, you want that window to always show the cargo hold of your currently active ship (and not the ship that was active when you opened the window).

Q: What are you doing about lag regarding Corporate hangars and specifically the annoyance of having to collapse it's tree twice?
A: We are actively targeting all Inventory lag related issues with the key goal of making it faster and better than before the new Inventory. The Corporate hangar tree only needs a single left click on the mouse to open it and it is possible that users are clicking it twice, making it open itself, start loading the content and then reads the second mouse-click command and closes it again. This accidental open and close will hopefully be a non issue once the loading of all the content of the Corporate hangars is improved and we have changed the Corporate hangar to have it’s own root so that it is consistent with other tabs in the Index tree.

Q: What are you doing about performance and lag issues related to the Inventory in general?
A: We want to address all of these issues full force but some of the use cases we get are hard or impossible for us to reproduce. If we can get information about the characters that are having these issues or videos showing these examples, that would help us tremendously.

Q: Will I keep getting these strange multiple instances of my ship's cargo hold when I undock?
A: No, the reason that was happening is because multiple Inventory windows could have various hangar inventory locations selected while you where docked, but once you undocked those hangar locations aren't there anymore and the default behavior of the Inventory was to revert the view to the default inventory, which is the top one, the Cargo hold of your active ship. Needless to say this wasn't the ideal behavior so we are closing windows between sessions that are not accessible anymore. Same behavior will be applied to wrecks and other inventories you are accessing while in space, if they are not accessible anymore or you have finished looting them, the inventory window simply closes instead of reverting to the default location.

Q: Wait? What? I like the ability to see multiple wrecks in the Index tree of my Inventory window, will I not see those anymore?
A: Yes, if you do not open an inventory window by holding Shift or using the 'Open in new window' setting, then you will be able to stack wrecks just like you currently can. We will add an icon to let you know if you are in range of the wrecks as well as '(distance)' information. So you can still see the wrecks you are out of range from in the Index tree, if you want. But if you open them in a new window, and become out of range from them, they will close.

Q: What about other things I use the Index tree for, like other Super-cap ships I need to access?
A: We will have the Ship name and Ship pilot as well as ‘(distance)’ on those.

Q: I need my screen space, make the Inventory less cluttered!
A: We have a plan to make a toggle button next to the 'Pin' button which will toggle between Compact and Normal mode. The Compact mode will only include the items of your selected inventory and nothing else. All settings will however persist, but users will not see what they are unless they toggle to Normal mode. There they can then see if things are being filtered, what view is being used and such. Users that want the ability to make some inventories more compact, like the active ship's cargo hold will most likely remember all their settings so we decided it would be best to have the compact view as compact as possible, with no additional info, making it even more compact then the original Inventory window.

Q: The Quick Actions, I don't see the benefits from your mockup. What is it for?
A: The mockup was only used to illustrate where they would be located, what actual options we will have there has not been ironed out yet but some of the things we are excited about are things like 'Sell All', 'Empty' and 'Stack All'. Input from you, the players can greatly affect what options we might put there in the future.

Q: Why are filters removed when I select another Inventory?
A: That would be the Quick Filter input field. This is the default behavior of the Quick Filter, and how it used to work too. Users use it to quickly filter something from a certain inventory and if they want to move to another inventory, the input field gets cleared so the user doesn't have to go and clear it manually every time. This is a common behavior of Quick filters. If you want to use the same filter to search multiple inventories we encourage you to use the Smart filters tab, those are specifically designed to use across multiple inventories with the same filter criteria.

Q: Why can’t I move Items to my Ship hangar or Ships to my Item hangar anymore?
A: When the Index tree was designed, we added a feedback indicator so that users would know that items went into the correct tab when dragging items into them. Moving something to the Item hangar and seeing the Ship hangar blink was considered...

Winter is going to be awesome.

+1

Um, they added this feature a while back -- around the time of the Unified Inventory, if I recall correctly.

You can rename all POS structures now. We have Corporate Supplies, Main Array of Ships, etc. I've even renamed our guns and defensive modules to make them easier to use in tower defense.

It even shows up in the Unified Inventory.

You probably need the Configure Starbase Equipment role assigned. Then, have at it!

1) Everything doesn't have to be so easy. Mining is boring enough already without nerfing the only actual math you can do in background while mining. If you want to mine more efficiently - learn to think while you do it.

2) Read above. You can estimate the amount in your head already and cycle the laser in mid cycle as often your capacitor allows. If you're running out of cap, the orca is there to give you a boost. That is for what it is made..

Just to let you know, I like the new UI.

so the changes to the instation short cuts will end up with the following right?
when you click on say the corp hanger short cut in station, the inventory opens and only displays the 7 corp hanger tabs and nothing else, no other unwanted inventory listings at all? just like it did before?

with the knock on effect that when your at a pos with say 10 corp hangers(ships, manu stuffs etc) and you open up a corp hanger in its own window that displaying only its 7 tabs. you can then open the other corp hangers, into there own windows with only there 7 hanger inventorys listed. just liek it was before?

please say this is so

if you could also make it that when you click division 1 in one of the corp hangers, with many corp hanger windows stacked. and then you swap to another corp hanger thats stacked it defaults to division 1 also. that would rule. i liked the way this was handled by the old(better imo) inventory and would love to see this functionality back.


just one last thing.. any chance of getting rid of the shift click work around you guys patched in so things would act as if it was doubled clicked. and reinstall double click please

Excellent! (on the defect for #2)

Try #1 with something fast, around 2km/s. It happens regularly with cruisers. In particular I get it with an Ishtar with 3 nanofibers fitted in the lows. I imagine a Vagabond would have the same issue. I have also seen it with a Hurricane (one nano) on MWD.

Unless you're using a slow ship, you most certainly do not just stop at a container - you'll overshoot it by some amount. And IIRC, the client doesn't re-approach and try again since it thinks it already tried to open the container.

What I've noticed is that the "trigger" to actually open the cargo container doesn't seem to happen until you are within 500m (or has some sort of delay), even though 2500m is close enough to actually open the cargo. But by the time my ship is at 500m, and the client sees I am <500m away and auto-sends the signal to the server to finally open, I've overshot the container by 2500m+ on the other side according to the server.

It's possible this whole timing issue is magnified just enough by latency such that Europeans wouldn't experience it, but someone in the US, like myself, does.

The auto-jump on warp-to-gate also misjudges range or something. I did a lot of flying through gates this weekend, and often I would land at ~1500m from a gate (well within jump range) and the client would report "approaching xxx gate" before jumping, even though I was already in jump range. (This is with autopilot off - I never use it. It was simply using the warp&jump buttons)

Thanks for looking into this!

Take a look at the single item looting without players having to open another window for a drag&drop operation (yes, that includes the Inventory window).
I'd suggest a right-click "Loot Item" (which more or less fall in line with Jettison) OR figure a better way with the above constraints.

One possibility is a small "Ship Cargo" icon somewhere in the window pop-out where you can drag&drop without resorting to large mouse travels.

Edit: A bit of background. Prior to univentory, it was easy/quick to select individual items and drop them into your cargo because you can place both (cargo and loot) windows right next to each other without taking much of screen space. Multiple wrecks/containers window is spawned into tabs - so this scheme works because the original window's size and position is never changed.

Fast foward to today. Multiple wrecks/containers window are spawned seperately, stacking at a 45 degree angle. It completely breaks the original scheme unless you perform single operations, which is almost never the case when you've got multiple containers in reach next to you. Doing the individual selection from the Inventory window is NOT preferable because of screen real-estate issue (and making this window small to accommodate such operations is self-defeating).

I cba to open a bug report, so I'll just leave this here. I don't know if you've noticed that small bug where the spawned windows tended to creep downwards (45 degree) after you've processed a sucession of stacks.The next wave of stacks will open from the last closed window - NOT from where the original window was. So, I'm forever adjusting and moving the position of loot/wreck window upwards to compensate for the drift.

The performance hit when assembling a ship could use some love. Essentially, anything that makes a new container, such as mass assembling ships, is horribly lagged.

Corp->dividents/divisions, whatever. only the ceo can do it AFAIK :)