Player Features and Ideas Discussion

As you can see with the title I'm a bit annoyed with the war dec system.

Not because I don't want risks and don't want pvp. Hell, I fly in a null sec alliance and try regularly to go out and get some lagit kills.

However, when i'm sitting in a high sec system and I see a guy posting a kill he got against a pve fitted ship with his pvp fitted ship, or the weak skinned indy ship he killed, I can't help but be annoyed.

I personally feel that every player who enjoys pvp'ing in low and null sec should also be annoyed at this.

These people are able to wardec corps for minoot amounts of isk, then sit around farming easy killmails because they've intentionally war dec'd a pve or indy corp for this sole purpose of grief or killmail padding.

While gate camps are mostly annoying to only those who live in high sec, I feel everyone should be annoyed with the war dec system as is.

Those of you low and null sec pvp'ers have to fight for every kill you get and often times fail.
You do this because you enjoy the thrill of pvp and knowing that you've earned that kill.

So, why do so many of you say nothing of these guys who farm free kills in high sec?

Most of you have stated at some point in time your annoyance to the fact that high sec has little risk for the amount of reward they receive, yet you fail to notice the high sec pvp'ers.

Pve'ers in high sec are at least involved in a different aspect of the game where they feel comfortable and are getting the best bang for their buck. We all know and understand that you will never be able to force these people to take more risks reguardless of what CCP does. If you take lvl 4's out of high sec, then they'll just stop at 3's. If you take 3's out they'll stop at 2's. If you take ice out they'll just mine ore. If you take everything but velspar out, they'll mine just veldspar. If you take ore out they'll mission. If you take missions out they'll transport and produce. If you remove high sec they'll quit the game.

What I'm getting at there is, at least with high sec pve'ers, most of us know that there's nothing you can do to get the to pvp apart from paying for everything.

HOWEVER, those of you who love to pvp in low and null have been expressing more and more that the amount of available pvp is going down and it's much harder to find good fights now adays.
Some, if not most of you, seem to think that reducing high sec, moving ice into low and null, and removing lvl 4's from high sec will fix this. I'm here to tell you it won't.

But I can probably state that high sec griefing and illegitimate war decs in high sec are a large portion of why low and null sec pvp is going down.

These high sec griefers and wardec'ers are destroying the pvp combat portion of eve by turning those in high sec off from it.

You are taking all these risks to secure your kills, yet these high sec war dec griefers and killmail padders are getting all the pleasure of the kill with much less, if any risks.

Why are we allowing this to fly??

This isn't a matter of making lives easier for high sec pve'er and miners, it's a matter that life is too easy for high sec pvp'ers.
They are destroying ships and getting damn good salvage and loot in a lot of situations, and they're doing so with no sec loss, little to no risks, and with little money down.

This is killing off your part of the game. The true pvp... The pvp your earn from, learn from, and burn from.


I say we greatly reconstruct the war dec system.
I say it should be so that a war dec must be a meaningful thing like it should be.
You shouldn't be able to use war decs to get easy kills and because you enjoy p*ssing ppl off.
A war dec should be meant to destroy your enemies supply lines in high sec and cut off their mining and salvaging.
It should be meant to disrupt their high sec pvp training corps.
It should be meant to disrupt their ice mining to cut off their POS and capital fuel.

No more of this low isk, low risk, easy pvp crap. Lets make war decs mean something.

I'm up for suggestions on how to reconstruct the war dec system, so that part can be on ya'll.

I just want everyone to realize these guys are destroying low and null sec pvp by turning high sec dwellers off pvp before they've even tried it, and that they're often times getting better and easier kills than you do.
I takes you forever to finally work down that pvp fitted drake that has no faction or dead space mods, yet these guys get to work down marauders like they're nothing, and often times pull out all kinds of faction and dead space loot.
If they wanna pvp then they should have to do the same as all us hard working pvp'ers and come to low or null and stop trying to pew pew a defenseless opponent.

Well aren't you a knight in shining armor.

All is fair in love and war. Deal with it.

If you want to see some well worked out changes to wardec procedures - look at the old CSM recommendation on the topic:

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/War-dec_mechanics_%28CSM%29

It tries to balance it and provide "win/loss" criteria for wardecs. Fairly well thought out plan.

You may note that the CSM meeting notes on the topic aren't up. It was brought up at a CSM meeting - it did pass the CSM vote 8 to 1 so was presented to CCP.

Don't worry. Once i get my decshield (or, more accurately, decshedding) alliance up and running, the risk will be low on both sides: for a mere 2M — discounted if you get decced more than once in a month — you can get rid of those annoying nuisance decs against you.

This I can agree with.

However, raising costs of war decs doesn't really solve anything, as it will favor those capable of affording to shell out that kind of ISK.

Furthermore, it would also prevent Alliances from going after smaller corps under these mechanics (because there are the times that the small corps harbor the thieves and spies).

Just something else to consider mate.

Unfortunately the game is designed to make the worst of you come out, it's not about pvp respecting others choices, it's not about respect at all, Eve is all about how many numbers you have on your side and how dirty you can be to take the win.

What you just mentioned there is the result of THIS game design.

I understand what you're saying Tanya, but in that same respect, we shouldn't be allowing it to be so easy and cheap for the high sec griefers to get their fix with little to no risks.

It's not a matter of this is what eve is, it's a matter of these guys are getting it for less.

@Koga - Yes, re-education the masses and in the process possibly be able to fix low sec pvp.

Apparently you missed the part where I said I pvp in a null sec alliance.

Then again, I shouldn't expect anything intellectual out of someone who's name plainly suggests that they're a troll.


I wonder though. If carebears are in high sec and only pve, then I guess the griefers must be beastly????

Honestly, those who try and kill the carebears are even weaker.

Everyone in eve knows that a pve fitted ship stands no chance against a pvp fitted ship, so who's more pathetic in this situation??

It is true that players make corps without knowing the aspects of what a corperation should require.

However, this still does not excuse the fact that wardecs are very cheap and favor the aggressor.

This is why it need to be reworked

Me too I'm running in null sec alliance, and me too have high sec alt (mining ice most of the time since requires little to no attention), so yes I understand your post and your reasons but there's nothing you, me or someone else will ever be able to do about it, unfortunately for us and all those potential fresh targets who could enjoy the game in high sec before get tired of shooting mission rats and feel interested for the real EVE.