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Is 180b isk per week from factional warfare normal? Is it balanced?
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Kern Hotha
#1 - 2012-09-23 21:55:04 UTC
Browsing reddit and I saw this post from an Eve player: Just a normal fw payout

And this was the screenshot: 184,250,000,000 isk

So, assuming that the claim is factual (multiple Minmatar characters semi-afk) - should a low-risk activity in a frigate be rewarded with 184 billion isk per week?

We distinguish the excellent man from the common man by saying that the former is the one who makes great demands upon himself, and the latter who makes no demands on himself.

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lanyaie
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#2 - 2012-09-23 21:59:21 UTC
Yes

Spaceprincess

People who put passwords on char bazaar Eveboards are the worst.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#3 - 2012-09-23 22:01:39 UTC
Kern Hotha wrote:
Browsing reddit and I saw this post from an Eve player: Just a normal fw payout

And this was the screenshot: 184,250,000,000 isk

So, assuming that the claim is factual (multiple Minmatar characters semi-afk) - should a low-risk activity in a frigate be rewarded with 184 billion isk per week?


According to the anti-high sec zealots, no number is ridiculous, as long as it is not high sec.
So yeah, running around with a 3 day alt in a speed tanked Incurses, with zero weapons, orbiting low sec plexes for a payout, yeah, billions and billions of ISK / week is entirely reasonable. But for a high sec player to make 1 hundredth of that, oh no, that is unbalancing the game.

You have not figured out yet the agenda of most of the CSM and some element of CCP employees.
Rengerel en Distel
#4 - 2012-09-23 22:05:45 UTC
Wasn't that the screenshot from the goons before it all got taken away?

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#5 - 2012-09-23 22:07:00 UTC
AFK isk with no risk or skill? Why not? If it gets nerfed they'll unsubscribe. Blink

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-09-23 22:07:27 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
According to the anti-high sec zealots, no number is ridiculous, as long as it is not high sec.
So yeah, running around with a 3 day alt in a speed tanked Incurses, with zero weapons, orbiting low sec plexes for a payout, yeah, billions and billions of ISK / week is entirely reasonable. But for a high sec player to make 1 hundredth of that, oh no, that is unbalancing the game.

You have not figured out yet the agenda of most of the CSM and some element of CCP employees.


lol shut up

this whole FW thing is dumb and CCP should be fixing it sooner rather than waiting till the next expansion to fix it, but that doesn't mean that your risk-free 120m/hour vanguard farming should come back

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MystLynx
Lulzsec Space
#7 - 2012-09-23 22:18:03 UTC
According that it can be done half afk with 0 risks, answer is NO.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#8 - 2012-09-23 22:19:48 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Kern Hotha wrote:
Browsing reddit and I saw this post from an Eve player: Just a normal fw payout

And this was the screenshot: 184,250,000,000 isk

So, assuming that the claim is factual (multiple Minmatar characters semi-afk) - should a low-risk activity in a frigate be rewarded with 184 billion isk per week?


According to the anti-high sec zealots, no number is ridiculous, as long as it is not high sec.
So yeah, running around with a 3 day alt in a speed tanked Incurses, with zero weapons, orbiting low sec plexes for a payout, yeah, billions and billions of ISK / week is entirely reasonable. But for a high sec player to make 1 hundredth of that, oh no, that is unbalancing the game.

You have not figured out yet the agenda of most of the CSM and some element of CCP employees.


And with every FW Tier 5 attained the inflation of PLEX has skyrocketed now at a near all time high once again... where are all the tears about how FW is ruining the economy like Incursions were?
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#9 - 2012-09-23 22:27:00 UTC
Andski wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
According to the anti-high sec zealots, no number is ridiculous, as long as it is not high sec.
So yeah, running around with a 3 day alt in a speed tanked Incurses, with zero weapons, orbiting low sec plexes for a payout, yeah, billions and billions of ISK / week is entirely reasonable. But for a high sec player to make 1 hundredth of that, oh no, that is unbalancing the game.

You have not figured out yet the agenda of most of the CSM and some element of CCP employees.


lol shut up

this whole FW thing is dumb and CCP should be fixing it sooner rather than waiting till the next expansion to fix it, but that doesn't mean that your risk-free 120m/hour vanguard farming should come back


It appears that CCP is too busy collaborating with you null sec zealots again to fix FW.
I just read about the new high sec AI that will attack drones, and then the NUMEROUS posts by the dev Fox Four gloating about it.
I have to hand it to you guys. You have a well honed machine there: an enormous propaganda team inundating the forums ceaselessly with lies to further your agenda, a CSM dominated by null sec, and then some unknown quantity of very sympathetic dev's.
Sm4kahm Shalloola
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-09-23 22:27:57 UTC
Andski wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
According to the anti-high sec zealots, no number is ridiculous, as long as it is not high sec.
So yeah, running around with a 3 day alt in a speed tanked Incurses, with zero weapons, orbiting low sec plexes for a payout, yeah, billions and billions of ISK / week is entirely reasonable. But for a high sec player to make 1 hundredth of that, oh no, that is unbalancing the game.

You have not figured out yet the agenda of most of the CSM and some element of CCP employees.


lol shut up

this whole FW thing is dumb and CCP should be fixing it sooner rather than waiting till the next expansion to fix it, but that doesn't mean that your risk-free 120m/hour vanguard farming should come back



A touch of pot and kettle.

this whole Moon Goo thing is dumb and CCP should be fixing it sooner rather than waiting TWO expansions to attempt to fix it, BUT in the mean time the FW isk fountain will supplement my other alt characters/PLEX accounts before they do...

fix't for you.

lol you shut up.
Elzon1
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-09-23 22:31:54 UTC
Well, I saw somewhere that the rewards were going to be changed to simply giving people more loyalty points instead of allowing them to severely undercut everyone else in the market. Combine that with some other adjustments and the profitability of faction warfare should drop quite a bit.

After the nerf people will once again be back on the Incursion bandwagon and people will start complaining about that again.
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#12 - 2012-09-23 22:32:54 UTC
Sm4kahm Shalloola wrote:
Andski wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
According to the anti-high sec zealots, no number is ridiculous, as long as it is not high sec.
So yeah, running around with a 3 day alt in a speed tanked Incurses, with zero weapons, orbiting low sec plexes for a payout, yeah, billions and billions of ISK / week is entirely reasonable. But for a high sec player to make 1 hundredth of that, oh no, that is unbalancing the game.

You have not figured out yet the agenda of most of the CSM and some element of CCP employees.


lol shut up

this whole FW thing is dumb and CCP should be fixing it sooner rather than waiting till the next expansion to fix it, but that doesn't mean that your risk-free 120m/hour vanguard farming should come back



A touch of pot and kettle.

this whole Moon Goo thing is dumb and CCP should be fixing it sooner rather than waiting TWO expansions to attempt to fix it, BUT in the mean time the FW isk fountain will supplement my other alt characters/PLEX accounts before they do...

fix't for you.

lol you shut up.

choice. just choice. +1

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Doomheim
#13 - 2012-09-23 22:33:12 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Andski wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
According to the anti-high sec zealots, no number is ridiculous, as long as it is not high sec.
So yeah, running around with a 3 day alt in a speed tanked Incurses, with zero weapons, orbiting low sec plexes for a payout, yeah, billions and billions of ISK / week is entirely reasonable. But for a high sec player to make 1 hundredth of that, oh no, that is unbalancing the game.

You have not figured out yet the agenda of most of the CSM and some element of CCP employees.


lol shut up

this whole FW thing is dumb and CCP should be fixing it sooner rather than waiting till the next expansion to fix it, but that doesn't mean that your risk-free 120m/hour vanguard farming should come back


It appears that CCP is too busy collaborating with you null sec zealots again to fix FW.
I just read about the new high sec AI that will attack drones, and then the NUMEROUS posts by the dev Fox Four gloating about it.
I have to hand it to you guys. You have a well honed machine there: an enormous propaganda team inundating the forums ceaselessly with lies to further your agenda, a CSM dominated by null sec, and then some unknown quantity of very sympathetic dev's.


Are you one of those people who believe we didn't land on the moon and that there's a hidden german base at the south pole?
Belshazzar Babylon
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-09-23 22:42:17 UTC
I just see this meaning cheap implants in the my future.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#15 - 2012-09-23 22:45:21 UTC
When I started I made 180M a week in high-sec running ammo in destroyers.

I was keenly aware that I was a rookie and other people were doing it better than I was.

I suspected possibly a million times better, since I did this with no real research and in relative safety. I estimated this knowing that capitals were big. Shocked

So no, I don't think it's unreasonable for a smart player who's analyzed the situation and developed a sound plan to make 180b a week. In fact, i suspect FW could pay more if you were ATK.

You mentioned it was done "semi-afk".

My two ISK.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-09-23 22:58:33 UTC
fw gives out about 300 million isk in 7 hours of work.

That means a bil a week easy

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Pipa Porto
#17 - 2012-09-23 23:02:30 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
And with every FW Tier 5 attained the inflation of PLEX has skyrocketed now at a near all time high once again... where are all the tears about how FW is ruining the economy like Incursions were?


FW doesn't cause inflation. Inflation is caused by ISK Faucets. FW is an ISK Sink, not a Faucet. Incursions were an ISK Faucet.

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Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#18 - 2012-09-23 23:06:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Touval Lysander
You know, having lived through countless nerf this nerf that, stop this stop that - ya sorta get a bit bored about more rage against the machine.

Who actually cares? Why go on about it?

Fred Bloggs has 500,000,000,000,000,000,000 isk bla bla. So?

Ginger Meggs has 1.2m isk. So?

Are you enjoying what YOU do?

Just sayin.....

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Speaker for TheDead
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#19 - 2012-09-23 23:09:03 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
And with every FW Tier 5 attained the inflation of PLEX has skyrocketed now at a near all time high once again... where are all the tears about how FW is ruining the economy like Incursions were?


FW doesn't cause inflation. Inflation is caused by ISK Faucets. FW is an ISK Sink, not a Faucet. Incursions were an ISK Faucet.



Your logic is flawed. Both give LP, but one is a sink, and one is a faucet? Shocked

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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#20 - 2012-09-23 23:16:53 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Pipa Porto wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
And with every FW Tier 5 attained the inflation of PLEX has skyrocketed now at a near all time high once again... where are all the tears about how FW is ruining the economy like Incursions were?


FW doesn't cause inflation. Inflation is caused by ISK Faucets. FW is an ISK Sink, not a Faucet. Incursions were an ISK Faucet.


So you are telling me every price spike that acompanies FW Teir 5 is not inflating the price of PLEX. Roll
FYI there are many things that can cause inflation go reread your Freshman econ book for a few hints. Blink


Anyhoo... looks like CCP has finally done the math too and realizes that the FW ISK reduction in the LP store is degrading the ISK sink function of LP stores so they are taking it away ( not too soon enough )
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
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