Warfare & Tactics

If a mechanic is in place to replace it, sure, it can go. But otherwise it's too crucial to many PvP tactics in high/low/null to mess with.

Actually now your just taking it to silly levels. In your comparison, the frigate would turn into a metal the size of a bowling ball near instantaneously, and the Freighter would develop a good size hole in its side, and drift very little (the damage to the side of the ship and bending metal alone would have accounted for the majority of the frigate's momentum). If you want to use the 'but EVE has shields' argument, the Capital Ship's mass would cause the shields to absorb much more, still accounting for most of the frigates momentum.

Having a basic size / class effect bumps would not be overly difficult, and the stats for it are, as stated above, already in game.


...ugh. and 9/10 on the troll for getting me to fall for it and actually think about that and give a response! lol

Have you actually tried redirecting a freighter? You can't exactly do it with a frigate.

If you're so worried about being bumped, orbit something! pop out a can and orbit at 500m! Only way to stop you is for your aggressor to take from the can, which allows you to shoot him.

Actually, yeah. I did it (granted ive only had the opportunity once) in low sec, with an AF, you can exactly do it in a frigate. Bumped him around just fine, for about 5 minutes until reinforcements arrived and we took it down. Did the same to a carrier.. well, me and about 10 others (and we lost that fight anyway, heh). Also bumped a dread and spun it out some, although I only got to do that one once, I was drifting around in my pod about 10 secs later.

Orbiting is not the answer, when its usually about trying to get someplace and being bumped out (be it warp, get to a gate, POS, etc).

~Zyella

You are also asking the wrong question, which is why none of the responses thus far will address what you really want to know. Despite asking the wrong question twice in your above post, your stealth meaning was decloaked by your mining tears.

No, you cannot insert "bumping" into the definition of "griefing" only in hi-sec because it is used to bump afk miners out of mining range. The very notion would be so situational that it would beg an implementation strategy that even CCP Grayscale would struggle to materialise.

Bumping in this context is as "risk-less" as mining is in the first place and there are options for you to counter it, although they carry their own consequences.

so if i bump your freighter in hisec from down time to down time, you've got no issue with that?

This.

But then, station and gate games should go away regardless of bumping and stuff.

Give bumping a small amount of damage, and an aggression flag. It will be glorious! Sit at Jita undock and explode everyone in a frig that happens to rub against your ship on the way out! Ever accedentally bounced off a gate while jumping? Don't worry, between the gate guns and your inability to jump now that you have aggressed the gate, you will learn to warp at distance and slowly approach...with your next ship as this one is exploding. Busy gate? It won't be for long now that people will be sitting in line with the normal approaches blowing everyone up!

I don't see a downside here, it gets my +1.

It's more a question of the ship you are flying than the tactic they are using.

I'd consider giving you the favour of doubt here, as the bumping of a freighter in empire involve you kept in limbo akin to the exploit that involved keeping people from docking (by bumping them out of docking speed within docking range).

It do however say more about the Freighter and it's role as an incredibly large and slow ship with no fitting and little player action tied to it, which has mostly relegated it to AP duty in empire (while other areas of space have been given new options like JF). I definately don't want to see JF jump in empire or something like that, but i do understand the root of your concerns: you can't counteract the action, and that can definately be discussed. If you had MWD and BS-agility it wouldn't be an issue, something slots on the ship could achieve or similar, and bumping you would be fine as it involve both players equally (action-reaction, as it do elsewhere in the game).

The potential issue with limbo do not upweigh all creative and eligable use with bumping as a tactical trick though, and you stand more to gain from questioning the role of the freighter than the role of bumping. Those grounds are poor, as that "dinosaur" have value throughout the game and is still being used on a daily basis everywhere.

High sec mission running does not affect other players.

High sec incursion running does not affect other players.

High sec mining does not affect other players (but unless you are in a Skiff it does have risk).