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I'm not even sure that's a valid question, since there are so many variables.

Right now I have an Orca/Hulk pilot and am thinking of training up two more Hulk pilots for a mini fleet. Eventually I'd like to get into manufacturing, but for now I'm just trying to figure out roughly how much ore per hour I could mine. I haven't boosted or been boosted yet so I really have no idea how much ore per hour I could mine with a boosting Orca and 2 Hulks.

Any rough idea would be appreciated. Come to think of it with such a small fleet (and all the changes, most I'm still learning since I just came back) will 2 Hulks make that much of a difference or should I use 2 other ships?

EFT/Pyfa plus multiplication. Fit, Add Fleet Boosts, Multiply.

Wasn't really sure I'd get an answer with all the variables that could be involved.

Thanks for the info :)

I mine with an ORCA and 3 hulk/macks depending on what I am mining. All my macks are set up for ice. I had three HULKS from before the patch so no point in replacing them. Although I did re fit them as it seems many others have not. Cargo rigs on the new HULKS, really?? They are useless, replace them or get ganked.

I started with 1 HULK and an ORCA just for the convenience. It makes it much easier to mine systems without a station. That was long before the changes though. With the new ships I may have gone with two Macks. 3 ships though I would definitely go 2 HULKS and an ORCA. might be slightly less yield than with 3 Macks but I think it would be very close to the same.

My HULK's with T2 crystals and near maxed skills and near max ORCA boost (I am not a min/maxer so have not polished up every last skill and do not have a mining foreman implant in my ORCA pilot.) I still mine well over 2000m3 per minute per hulk. I believe the max with perfect skills and implants is 2600m3 per minute for a HULK, but that may have been with Roqual Boost.

I have not re-run the numbers since the changes, or run the numbers for a Mack, But Since the ORCA boosts have not changed once you have 3 mining ships you will add more yield adding an ORCA than another mining ship. It was always 3 HULKS and an ORCA would mine more than 4 HULKS. Since the boosts work out to a % increase in yield that should still be true for MACKS. Even at 2 HULKS and an ORCA there is very little yield loss compared to the added benifits of the ORCA. Losing the boost for 1-2 cycles while the ORCA dumps is still way more efficent than each ship losing 2-3 full cycles when they go to dump. Adding a hauler to the fleet on top of the ORCA would not make up for the lost yield over adding another mining ship though. So I just use the ORCA to haul.

On a side note an ORCA with maxed cargo will hold 40,000m3 in the corp hanger, 50,000m3 in the ore hold, and a little over 89,000m3 in the cargo hold (with T1 cargo rigs). You will however only have about 84,000 ehp(at least with my fit) using only mid slots for tank. However keeping the cargo rigs and swaping out the two T2 expanders for a T2 damage controller and T2 reinforced bulkheads you only lose about 34,000m3 of cargo but have over 230,000 ehp. 30,000m3 of cargo for 150,000 ehp is well worth it in my opinion. If you want an active tank on an ORCA I recommend putting hull reppers in the mids,Not active shield tank. As it is naturally hull tanked.

No. God no.

Hull Reppers always suck always. The one use for Hull Reppers is if you have hull damage and can't find a station to repair in. Then you refit at your POS, rep your hull, and refit back.

In HS, your only concern is surviving a Suicide Gank. Twin Heated X-L ASBs (with the rest resists, ofc) provide the most EHP over the course of the gank for your mids. For hauling, or otherwise not paying attention, swap em out for twin LSEs.

The lows should still be a DC2 and Bulkhead if you want to go for tank, but for the most part, nobody suicide ganks Orcas (it's really expensive to do so), so cargo expanders (or a Reactor control for an MWD Orca) are fine.

Rigs should either be Cargo, Shield Resist (for those ASBs), or Grid and Resist/Cargo (if you want an MWD and your lows free).





Two Macks will provide you with more Ore for fewer clicks than a Hulk+Orca, as you don't need to move your ore at all, just warp to the station once every 45m-1hr.