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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#81 - 2012-09-22 03:06:34 UTC
As a side note, I know there is discussion of leaving Tracking Computers and Enhancers as they are and come up with similar modules that have the same effects as are being discussed but for missiles only.

While I very much think that diversity and the need to make hard decisions about your fit is a good thing in EVE, in this particular case I would like to see these modules affect both guns and missiles.

My reasoning is simple.

They would go a looong way toward making split weapons system boats viable. This is an extremely worthy goal.

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Pipa Porto
#82 - 2012-09-22 03:32:16 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
As a side note, I know there is discussion of leaving Tracking Computers and Enhancers as they are and come up with similar modules that have the same effects as are being discussed but for missiles only.

While I very much think that diversity and the need to make hard decisions about your fit is a good thing in EVE, in this particular case I would like to see these modules affect both guns and missiles.

My reasoning is simple.

They would go a looong way toward making split weapons system boats viable. This is an extremely worthy goal.


Halfway through your post I thought you were going to say your reasoning was "it doesn't matter because you don't use both at the same time."

I had entirely forgotten about the potential of split weapon fits. Which I think just reinforces your point.

ATM, I think most people use off weapon high slots as utility highs more often than they use them for other weapons.

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Cloora
APEX Unlimited
APEX Conglomerate
#83 - 2012-09-22 04:20:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Cloora
Doddy wrote:
Been playing this game since forever and i have seen firewalling pulled off precisely once. Its also something that works only against a pure missile fleet, and that such things exist tell you all you need to know.



That just shows you are pretty limited in your PvP experiance. In large nullsec battles, we always know what the other fleet is bringing. We firewall ALL THE TIME against Tengus.

For example: Firewalls

notice the little explosions in between our fleet and the tengus? Thats the firewall ships running the smarties.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#84 - 2012-09-22 04:48:01 UTC
Cloora wrote:
Doddy wrote:
Been playing this game since forever and i have seen firewalling pulled off precisely once. Its also something that works only against a pure missile fleet, and that such things exist tell you all you need to know.



That just shows you are pretty limited in your PvP experiance. In large nullsec battles, we always know what the other fleet is bringing. We firewall ALL THE TIME against Tengus.

For example: Firewalls

notice the little explosions in between our fleet and the tengus? Thats the firewall ships running the smarties.

mm, nice music.

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Desert Ice78
Gryphons of the Western Wind
#85 - 2012-09-22 13:01:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Desert Ice78
Just had a peek in Jita, and the flogging of everyone's mission tengus has certainly commenced there.

Don't know if this answers your question.

I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#86 - 2012-09-22 16:43:35 UTC
Desert Ice78 wrote:
Just had a peek in Jita, and the flogging of everyone's mission tengus has certainly commenced there.

Don't know if this answers your question.


What I want to know is what they are replacing them with and if I have that BPO.
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#87 - 2012-09-22 17:26:11 UTC
CCP fail as they so often do.

If they wanted to "nerf" the Heavy Missile and the Drake they should have made them more expensive to make. What makes HM Drakes glory, isn't that they are effective but that they are cheap and effective. There are plenty of other cheap alternatives but they aren't as effective. So rather than making the HM Drake less effective, make it more expensive.

T2 Heavy Missile sells at 850K in Jita. No other T2 medium sells that cheap. Missiles were supposed to be expensive. That was the mantra back when EVE was on track. Now they cost less than bullets.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#88 - 2012-09-22 17:42:42 UTC
Skydell wrote:
CCP fail as they so often do.

If they wanted to "nerf" the Heavy Missile and the Drake they should have made them more expensive to make. What makes HM Drakes glory, isn't that they are effective but that they are cheap and effective. There are plenty of other cheap alternatives but they aren't as effective. So rather than making the HM Drake less effective, make it more expensive.

T2 Heavy Missile sells at 850K in Jita. No other T2 medium sells that cheap. Missiles were supposed to be expensive. That was the mantra back when EVE was on track. Now they cost less than bullets.


We blob ships that cost 70 billion. Your idea would work just as well.
Pipa Porto
#89 - 2012-09-22 21:31:46 UTC
Skydell wrote:
CCP fail as they so often do.

If they wanted to "nerf" the Heavy Missile and the Drake they should have made them more expensive to make. What makes HM Drakes glory, isn't that they are effective but that they are cheap and effective. There are plenty of other cheap alternatives but they aren't as effective. So rather than making the HM Drake less effective, make it more expensive.

T2 Heavy Missile sells at 850K in Jita. No other T2 medium sells that cheap. Missiles were supposed to be expensive. That was the mantra back when EVE was on track. Now they cost less than bullets.


Cost is not a valid balancing factor. See: Titans

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#90 - 2012-09-23 02:10:09 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
We blob ships that cost 70 billion. Your idea would work just as well.

I love the super rifter blob. Not that I see them often, heh.

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Pipa Porto
#91 - 2012-09-23 07:24:39 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
We blob ships that cost 70 billion. Your idea would work just as well.

I love the super rifter blob. Not that I see them often, heh.


You guize use Ragnaroks?

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#92 - 2012-09-23 11:51:45 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
We blob ships that cost 70 billion. Your idea would work just as well.

I love the super rifter blob. Not that I see them often, heh.


You guize use Ragnaroks?


What Can I say, we are terrible at this game. I even cyno'ed them in once using my megaStraight
Pipa Porto
#93 - 2012-09-23 11:54:03 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
We blob ships that cost 70 billion. Your idea would work just as well.

I love the super rifter blob. Not that I see them often, heh.


You guize use Ragnaroks?


What Can I say, we are terrible at this game. I even cyno'ed them in once using my megaStraight


Ragnarules.

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-RubyPorto