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The Willis Maneuver
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Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#1 - 2012-09-22 22:03:54 UTC
Hey guys, I was reading an article mentioning the "Gruber Gambit which military tacticians advise against as it can result in the Willis Maneuver from the enemy".

Source: page 2 of article

Can someone shed light on this as friend Google failed me on this one. The reason I'm posting this here is because it seems that holding someone tackled when ransoming in EVE might result in this "Maneuver" from his corpmates. I just wonder what exactly this tactic is.

Feedback is welcome!
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-09-22 22:10:48 UTC
Watchoo talkin' about, Thor?

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Boci
Ubiquitous Hurt
The WeHurt Initiative
#3 - 2012-09-22 22:14:26 UTC
Hans Gruber is a badguy in the movie Die Hard, which stars Bruce Willis; the picture int he article is a shot from that movie, when hans gruber is holding willis's character's wife/exwife/whatever hostage. willis's character had a pistol strapped to his back, which he grabs and shoots hans, thus saving the lady.

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Slej Hammer
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-09-22 22:19:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Slej Hammer
"military tacticians advise against as it can result in the Willis Maneuver from the enemy".

Why advice against? Willis shot the bad guy and saved the damsell. That's a GOOD thing yeah?

Plus it looked cool on TV. WE knew it was gonna happen, it did and the crowd went wild.

(and I'd get a buzz watching the ransomer become the dear departed - I just love turn-the-tide sequences)
Destru Kaneda
Arzad Police Department
#5 - 2012-09-22 22:24:07 UTC
Except in EVE there is no lady.

I like it best when the beats are naked.
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#6 - 2012-09-22 22:27:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Thor Kerrigan
Boci wrote:
Hans Gruber is a badguy in the movie Die Hard, which stars Bruce Willis; the picture int he article is a shot from that movie, when hans gruber is holding willis's character's wife/exwife/whatever hostage. willis's character had a pistol strapped to his back, which he grabs and shoots hans, thus saving the lady.


I guess that makes sense.

So in other words, when the target says "yo hey, my mates are gathering the ransom, please give me 1 more minute..." we should just shoot him then?

Slej Hammer wrote:
"military tacticians advise against as it can result in the Willis Maneuver from the enemy".

Why advice against? Willis shot the bad guy and saved the damsell. That's a GOOD thing yeah?

Plus it looked cool on TV. WE knew it was gonna happen, it did and the crowd went wild.

(and I'd get a buzz watching the ransomer become the dear departed - I just love turn-the-tide sequences)


It's the other way around bro :P
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#7 - 2012-09-22 22:29:32 UTC
People contemplate honoring ransoms in EVE? Shocked

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#8 - 2012-09-22 22:29:36 UTC
Destru Kaneda wrote:
Except in EVE there is no lady.

I see what you did there.

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Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#9 - 2012-09-22 22:34:02 UTC
James 315 wrote:
People contemplate honoring ransoms in EVE? Shocked


a) I like my fits with faction mods.
b) Most people don't fit faction mods.

When issuing ransoms, I consider point a) and disregard point b). Pirate
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#10 - 2012-09-22 22:56:44 UTC
James 315 wrote:
People contemplate honoring ransoms in EVE? Shocked


Not honoring ransoms is bad for business.
Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-09-22 23:13:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Oliver
"If you would like to save your ship please deposit 10mil isk into my wallet, you have five seconds to comply."
"Wait what can..... (time up ship explodes)"

It's really as simple as that. Pirate
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Tanthos
Tanthos Corp
#12 - 2012-09-22 23:20:58 UTC
OP never seen Die Hard?

Permaban him.
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#13 - 2012-09-22 23:22:20 UTC
Tanthos wrote:
OP never seen Die Hard?

Permaban him.


I've seen it, I just did not click when I saw the pic.
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#14 - 2012-09-22 23:24:10 UTC
Rroff wrote:
James 315 wrote:
People contemplate honoring ransoms in EVE? Shocked


Not honoring ransoms is bad for business.

Unless your victims are unfamiliar with their attackers, in which case reputation is meaningless and it's always better to dishonor ransoms. Blink

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Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-09-22 23:28:07 UTC
James 315 wrote:
Rroff wrote:
James 315 wrote:
People contemplate honoring ransoms in EVE? Shocked


Not honoring ransoms is bad for business.

Unless your victims are unfamiliar with their attackers, in which case reputation is meaningless and it's always better to dishonor ransoms. Blink
And this is why the only people who will publish your articles are the Goons Jimmy boy.
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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#16 - 2012-09-23 06:23:59 UTC
Well willis' maneuver only worked, since he was never really outgunned.

In EVE the pirates or gruber will have more guns then you do, making Willis' maneuver a bad one.

So remember, always bring more guns to the party, you can do whatever you want to then, and people will call you a genius.

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