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What happened to following alliance logo guidelines?

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Amsterdam Conversations
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-09-22 15:14:35 UTC
I'm probably not the only one who is not impressed by the recent logo additions. While I really appreciate the speed in which new logos are put into the game now, it really appears that whoever deals with the logos at CCP doesn't really care about quality any more at all.

These are the guidelines which used to be followed quite well.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Alliance_logo_submission_process

These are the two really important bits:

Quote:
Image must have the look and feel of EVE online

The bottom layer should always be empty, i.e. transparent, with the second layer above being the flattened version of the icon itself.


Now let's have a look at how they are supposed to look like. I'll throw in a few logos that in my own opinion fit into EVE very well and might as well be NPC corp logos in regards to quality:

CVA: http://e.dotlan.net/images/Alliance/1988009451_64.png
Stain Empire: http://e.dotlan.net/images/Alliance/1988009450_64.png
Ivy League: http://e.dotlan.net/images/Alliance/937872513_64.png
Ishuk-Raata: http://e.dotlan.net/images/Alliance/1691647675_64.png

I think these are prime examples of what they are supposed to look like in a perfect world.

Let's go on to the logos that don't exactly fit EVE's style but nevertheless are of great artistic quality and certainly don't disturb the feel of EVE. This would be the most common type.

Goons: http://e.dotlan.net/images/Alliance/1354830081_64.png
IRC: http://e.dotlan.net/images/Alliance/673381830_64.png
RZR: http://e.dotlan.net/images/Alliance/741557221_64.png
ED: http://e.dotlan.net/images/Alliance/494403294_64.png
FCON: http://e.dotlan.net/images/Alliance/1006830534_64.png
Convicted: http://e.dotlan.net/images/Alliance/1198020766_64.png
Gypsy Band: http://e.dotlan.net/images/Alliance/99000372_64.png
Romanian Legion: http://e.dotlan.net/images/Alliance/557004256_64.png
Raiden: http://e.dotlan.net/images/Alliance/99000289_64.png
PL: http://e.dotlan.net/images/Alliance/386292982_64.png
Vanguard: http://e.dotlan.net/images/Alliance/555959926_64.png
K162: http://e.dotlan.net/images/Alliance/1015198609_64.png
Rote: http://e.dotlan.net/images/Alliance/927292903_64.png
TL: http://e.dotlan.net/images/Alliance/99001240_64.png

There's dozens more of these, each of them are striking with either detail or simplicity.

Then there's the rather questionable logos. Logos that look like they've been done with paint, that aren't quite terribly awful but not really that pretty and/or looking like a 12 year old has made them. Note the random black/white background that looks like total crap ingame:

ROL: http://e.dotlan.net/images/Alliance/1228472388_64.png
Stainless: http://e.dotlan.net/images/Alliance/405592709_64.png
S2N/T2N: http://e.dotlan.net/images/Alliance/1463354890_64.png
Fade to Black: http://e.dotlan.net/images/Alliance/1868504543_64.png
AE: http://e.dotlan.net/images/Alliance/399527366_64.png

Now, I think you can put up with these examples, despite most of them barring any artistic skills whatsoever.

But then there's also the ones whose approval I can just not comprehend. They don't only ignore the guidelines given by CCP, but they totally lack creativity and seem to have been made only to get rid of the alliance logo placeholder given by CCP. Fitting into the game, eh... They are atrocious and make me wonder if the guy at CCP was either REALLY drunk/high or has lost his ability to use his eyes:

FAIL (it fits): http://e.dotlan.net/images/Alliance/1838908040_64.png
SMA: http://e.dotlan.net/images/Alliance/679584932_64.png
WHYSO: http://e.dotlan.net/images/Alliance/99001779_64.png
SONE: http://e.dotlan.net/images/Alliance/99001127_64.png
DNS: http://e.dotlan.net/images/Alliance/1645363239_64.png
U MAD: http://e.dotlan.net/images/Alliance/99001383_64.png (at least EVE is not a children's game)
SCUM: http://e.dotlan.net/images/Alliance/1880001159_64.png

How did these make it through the submission process? They don't follow a single of the design rules that CCP has given and make me feel embarrassed for all the newbies that are trying out EVE.
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#2 - 2012-09-22 15:16:25 UTC  |  Edited by: James 315
You spent a lot of time on a "bash Goons' logo" thread. This was litigated and won by Goons a long time ago. Let it go.

And seriously, you don't like PL's logo? X

Edit: Whoops! Looks like I misread you. Oops
Amsterdam Conversations
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-09-22 15:32:43 UTC
James 315 wrote:
You spent a lot of time on a "bash Goons' logo" thread. This was litigated and won by Goons a long time ago. Let it go.

And seriously, you don't like PL's logo? X


Do you read from bottom to top?
Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#4 - 2012-09-22 15:54:22 UTC
James 315 wrote:
You spent a lot of time on a "bash Goons' logo" thread. This was litigated and won by Goons a long time ago. Let it go.

And seriously, you don't like PL's logo? X


You actually have to read to understand it. He's actually saying majority of the CFC alliance logos among others are quite ordinary and simple, fits and are well made.
The most bottom ones are the ones he is protesting against.
raz1980
Air
The Initiative.
#5 - 2012-09-22 16:00:54 UTC
Really! who cares
Adam Junior
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-09-22 16:10:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Adam Junior
Wow, the CVA logo could've been made by the guy who did the original faction logos 9 year ago!

And the SCUM logo is awful.

I agree with OP, we need a logo purge.
Doddy
Excidium.
#7 - 2012-09-22 16:34:58 UTC
Generally agree tbh, which surprises me. Pl logo is definately in the top catagory though. Some are terrible. Still if they want to fly under those banners its up to them i guess.
Janet Patton
Brony Express
#8 - 2012-09-22 16:38:45 UTC
I never ever notice alliance logo's to care, but if this was a democracy you would win my vote. Down with bad logo's!

Why do I have this sig? I don't smoke.

IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Angry Mustellid
Lost Obsession
#9 - 2012-09-22 16:43:12 UTC
Gotta agree with this.



On a side note I'm surprised CCP haven't tagged on a PLEX price for alliance logos yet.
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2012-09-22 17:46:20 UTC
this was going to be the GSF logo: http://i.imgur.com/tp9KA.png

then mittens nixed it

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Athena Themis
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-09-22 17:54:08 UTC
"Look and feel of eve" is highly subjective. Who are you to determine if someone's logo is acceptable or not?
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2012-09-22 17:59:32 UTC
Athena Themis wrote:
"Look and feel of eve" is highly subjective. Who are you to determine if someone's logo is acceptable or not?


you're right, this is very much on par with the quality of eve's artwork

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Cpt Gobla
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-09-22 18:01:08 UTC
Am I the only one who's snickering that this post was written by "Amsterdam Conversations" from the corporation "Cheesecake Starshine"?

Pot. Kettle. Black.
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2012-09-22 18:06:04 UTC
Cpt Gobla wrote:
Am I the only one who's snickering that this post was written by "Amsterdam Conversations" from the corporation "Cheesecake Starshine"?

Pot. Kettle. Black.


Your alliance has a dot in its name

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-09-22 18:06:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Oliver
This seemed applicable.

(Casting vote with the "nobody cares what you think about someone else's alliance logo so keep it to yourself hater" group.)
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
Cpt Gobla
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-09-22 18:08:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Cpt Gobla
Andski wrote:
Cpt Gobla wrote:
Am I the only one who's snickering that this post was written by "Amsterdam Conversations" from the corporation "Cheesecake Starshine"?

Pot. Kettle. Black.


Your alliance has a dot in its name


Yes. Yes it does. How very perceptive of you.
Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-09-22 18:11:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Oliver
Cpt Gobla originally wrote:
Andski wrote:
Cpt Gobla wrote:
Am I the only one who's snickering that this post was written by "Amsterdam Conversations" from the corporation "Cheesecake Starshine"?

Pot. Kettle. Black.


Your alliance has a dot in its name


And?
And your alliance logo is pretty cool, but OP probably hates it.
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
Athena Themis
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2012-09-22 18:19:45 UTC
Andski wrote:
Athena Themis wrote:
"Look and feel of eve" is highly subjective. Who are you to determine if someone's logo is acceptable or not?


you're right, this is very much on par with the quality of eve's artwork


I FAIL to see why it isn't.
Cpt Gobla
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2012-09-22 18:33:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Cpt Gobla
Paul Oliver wrote:
And your alliance logo is pretty cool, but OP probably hates it.


Probably not. But that's his problem.

Anyway, I think the OP is forgetting that EvE's a bit different than your average Sci-Fi property.

The lives of the common people who aren't pod pilots may be very serious and grim-dark, as commonly seen in the chronicles.

But the lives of it's pod pilots clearly aren't. A central tenant of EvE has always been that we, the players, shape the universe. And by extension that means we shape the culture and lives of pod pilots. This universe isn't just filled with serious men and women led purely by instincts of survival and greed.

This universe has a rather large population of sociopaths and psychopaths who've been immortalised through technology and are now flying around in giant space ships shooting things just because they can. They band together in corporations not in the pursuit of profit or power but in the pursuit of amusement and murder. They fly not with decades of training and a quest to leave their mark on the universe, they fly with alcohol coursing through their veins looking for a few laughs. They fly not under the carefully designed and clean banners of the empires, they fly under flags of their own delusional devising.

That's EvE. That's why all these wacky alliance logos are perfectly fine. Because, judging by the actions of the player-base, most capsuleers are simply batshit crazy.
Jett0
The Two and Only
#20 - 2012-09-23 07:00:17 UTC
Imagine if we ever get custom ship colors.

Pink ships with pony logos. For a PVP corp/alliance.

You know it would happen.

Occasionally plays sober

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