Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Makes sense to me.
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When they said there would be a gas bonus, I was really expecting, and hoping for a little bit more.

As has been pointed out, with the current yield bonus, you will be pulling 4 harvesters worth of gas until you get ORE frigate V when you will be pulling 5 harvesters worth. This means, while for the very very new player, you can get more yield from Gas Harvesting II, you are only a day or two from getting Gas Harvesting IV and a bigger ship that can fit 4 harvesters with some more utility highs and a bit of a tank, and Gas Harvesting V is a shorter train than frigate V as well, so this doesn't seem like a good beginner ship for someone training to suck clouds. it's more of a nice side bonus. With maxed out skills you will only be reaching parity with any larger vessel with Gas cloud Harvesting V and 5 Harvesters, not only does this mean the ship won't be so good for vets, it also doesn't seem right for a ship specially designed to harvest to be matched by a combat ship. it's Rokh miner madness all over again. If you change the bonus to a cycle time bonus, you can fix those problems, of course.

As a mining vessel, it's harvesting abilities seem moderate. I think it is fairly in line, but I think the fittings of some of the other mining equipment night need adjustment to fit on this ship (deep core stuff)

personally, I would give this thing 3 turrets and change the bonuses to a 50% role bonus (so you end up with the equivalent of 4.5 harvesters) and a 10% level bonus. The mining yields would see a nice improvement (though I am hoping not too much, the ore and gas bonuses don't have to be the same of course), but this ship would also work as a gas boat more effectively. At Ore frigate I, you will get 4 harvesters worth due to the rounding, at II and III you will get 5 harvesters worth achieving parity with larger vessels running Gas Harvesting V, but with much less time investment, and at Frigate VI and V you will be pulling 6 harvesters worth which will make this the boat of choice to train for for gas mining.

Now if you really want to give gas miners some love, give us an actual gas mining ship (I always figured we'd get something like a TII noctis that used the Exhumers skill had 5 turret slots and a gas bonus to take you to 6 turrets worth of harvesting)

07:13:30 Notify You cannot place a Celestial into that location in your Orca. The bay you are trying to access is specialized and can only handle certain types of items.

The gas into ore bay appears to be not working, or is it coded to only work for the ORE frigate? Or isn't it turned on yet?

pretty amazing for a free ship. time to nooby-ninja-blob-mine WH's

do that for a tech II version...

FEEDBACK:

2- If you give only 2 turrets slots things will look awkward on the mod, it will look much cooler if you give it 4 hi-slots with 3 turrets and Nerf the mining yield for it to keep the mining amount. And maybe it is time to reballance the mining laser to give this frigate full fitted the right price...

Mining frigate skill bonuses:
+5% to mining yield per level
+5% to gas harvesting yield per level
Role bonuses:
+33% to mining yield
+100% to gas harvesting yield
+ 2 warp core stabilizer bonus
Slot layout: 3 H, 3 M, 1 L, 3 turrets
Fittings: 50 PWG, 320 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 225 / 175 / 200
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / average cap per second): 250 / 125s / 2
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 335 / 3.6 / 1200000 / 4.04s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 10 / 10
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 15km / 750 / 5
Sensor strength: 4 Magnetometric
Signature radius: 40
Cargo capacity: 50
Ore hold: 5000

It does store significantly more gas than any of the others though.

And will be significantly cheaper.

Considering ladar sites tend to be 10k + m3, that 5000 m3 bay isn't to be sniffed at. Sure, you could run a hauler, but you could just stick your hauler into another ore frigate and get everything that bit faster.

A few little things.

1) Given gas is typically around 10m3, a 5% increase in yield doesn't really get you anything. Yes, at lvl5 it's equal to an extra gas miner but what about at lvl2 or lvl3?. This is supposed to be an entry level ship yes? So you should see a difference when raising the skill up each level. I suggest a cycle time bonus instead of amount.

2) Similar to 1, the gas mining skill itself only affects the number of gas miners you can fit to a ship, it has no impact on cycle time, amount or even cap usage. This was fine when we mined with BC's but since this new frigate only gets 2 gas harvesters, there is zero difference between having the skill at lvl2 and lvl4, it's only at 5 with t2 harvesters that it does something. Either the skill should be altered or the new ship should be able to fit 5 harvesters. Obviously if the latter, the ship bonuses will need to be greatly altered.

3) The ship itself is overpowered in its current form. I suggest shrinking the ore hold to 2k m3 at most. It should also be made with the creation of larger and/or t2 versions in mind. The current proposal is basically what the t2 version should be, not the t1.

Yes, the ore bay will allow gas to be stored in it, the devs have changed their working copy, changes haven't made it to the test servers yet, will come in with the ore frig.
That or the code just isn't active yet.

gas harvesting yield change to reduction to cycle time [buff, but give incremental increase per lvl for gas and gives a better sense for progress]
Cargo capacity: increased to 130~150 [buff, i for see there being things necessary to be carried 50 seems too limiting]
Max Locked targets: decreased to 3~4 [nerf, i don't see the need for being able to lock so many targets]
Scan Resolution: decreased to 550~600 [nerf, if i want more ill fit a sebo no need for it be so high]
armor: increased to 200 [buff, just to make the stats a bit more rounded]
Signature radius: increased to 45m [nerf, with it getting a +2 to warp strength this should be catchable but not be easy, so reducing the time need to lock the ship]

as a new player i would be looking for something that i can get into now and and get a decent rate to play with, as such certain perks such as warp core strength and a 5000 ORE bay is necessary for a new player to have a scene of purpus and a feeling that they can contribute their own endeavor as well as a fleets.

as a vet player I'm looking for ways to exploit the the perks and as well as wanting specialized ship. to finally have a dedicated gas harvesting ship makes me very happy but it has to be better than any jack off 5 turret ship.

clarification: will this ship have rig slots? if so, how many? whats its cal?
and what is the volume of this ship packed and unpacked

I'm banking that CCP wont do a T2 variant for some time, rather have the bonuses as it is then to nerf it and have them on a T2 version later on.

also bare in mind that is meant to be for new players and as such there need to be a certain amount of hand holding. (i know a thousand of eve players just screamed out at once for saying that and fully expect to see the flame coming my way)
and yes i like to pwne noobs just as much as the other guy but its not fun if they quit after suffering losses.

also to take into account that new players like to feel empowered, lets let feel empowered even though they aren't and need to get some skills under their belt before they can be. thats not to say everything new players should see is a cheep illusion, there should be a desire to contribute and the means to do it. in another words some things have to be given to gain a feeling of confidence.