Player Features and Ideas Discussion

wut?

Seriously unless you are trying to probe someone down in pvp there is no need for a cloak. If you are trying to probe someone down in it then you don't need your salvager.

Actually reading this makes for a very smart idea. Combining the two into a science module that does both, but not very well, then a script loaded makes it do one better.
Would help with the usual issue of eating lots of slots.

wut?

Seriously unless you are trying to probe someone down in pvp there is no need for a cloak. If you are trying to probe someone down in it then you don't need your salvager.
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Someones Jimmies got rustled. ^^

While I like the new ships I have to ask why you have not given the Amarr noobship 5m3 more cargo for this same reason.

I'm not sure where this would fit in terms of T1 vs. T2 exploratory-type ships, but I've recently made a discovery that I'm not too happy with, and as a long-time pilot of exploratory-type ships I figgered I wanted to address it with the Devs but wasn't sure how to approach it... this seems a fairly relevant thread, though, given my utter lack of previous experience with the EVE Forums.

To sum up: I've put a lot of effort (in a meandering, I've-got-the-attention-span-of-a-fruit-fly kind of way) into researching and building Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade II rigs and now that I finally gathered blueprints, materials and skills together and actually made one, I'm extremely disappointed. As I said, I'm a long-time explorer-type ship pilot and I like nothing more than going into an empty system and just scanning to see what I can find - all this time I've sort of viewed T2 Gravity Capacitor rigs as something that would significantly boost my scanning ability in the ships I'm familiar with flying... only I never actually checked the stats until after I made my first rig and fitted it.

I mistakenly assumed that since I can fit two T1 Gravity Capacitor rigs on my Probes and Cheetahs for a healthy 20% scan strength bonus, that once I did all the leg work I'd eventually be able to fit T2 Grav. Capacitor rigs for an even better scanning bonus. The problem being that the T1 rigs have a Calibration cost of 200 - I can fit two of 'em on my ship for increased scan bonus to the exclusion of any other rigs allowing me to do anything else on an exploratory-type ship, and I'm cool with that and to me it makes sense. I come to find that the Calibration cost for a single T2 Grav. Capacitor rig is 300, however, which means that after all this research and training and effort, I fit the first one on my ship for an awesome 15% bonus to scan strength per rig... and that was it, I couldn't use two T2 scanning bonus rigs.

I essentially discovered that I wasted all my time and effort and could've just stuck with two T1 rigs on a scanning ship for a 20% bonus since there are apparently no ships of any sort that have a Calibration capacity of higher than 400 (Note: I made a fairly healthy effort checking attributes on a wide variety of ships in-game to see if this was the case, and it appears thus so far as I can tell, but I don't have the time or motivation to systematically check every ship in the game to see if this absolutely true.) Sure, I can still fit a Salvage Tackle rig or something on after putting on a T2 Grav. Capacitor rig, but as I currently see it, there is no real advantage to fitting a T2 Gravity Capacitor rigs if one is purely looking for a higher scan strength bonus - which, personally, I am.

So far as solutions/suggestions go, I think it reasonable that T2 Gravity Capacitor rigs keep their current 300 Calibration cost, which would still make them usable and valid on a wide variety of ships while still weighting their use in favor of pure-exploration ships... but please adjust the Calibration capacity on the T2 exploratory ships (Cheetah, et al) so that they can fit more than one of these rigs? (Ideally, I'd say lower their Calibration cost to 200 the same as the T1 rigs and let market costs and manufacturing costs and all else involved even out their relative in-game value, but I know little to nothing about game balancing and much prefer poking around in the dark corners of space with my scan probes looking for expensive abandoned loot.)

Thank you!

Most of the thread is positive, but I cant help but think they are all the same now. Can't we switch up the ship bonuses just a touch? It is ok if one ship is better at hacking than salvage for instance (imo)

Because sitting uncloaked at the sun in a T1 scan frig is how the pros scan.

I like the idea about the new T1 Scan Frigs :)

i support it

yeah, I too, am of the mind that these ships are way too homogenized. There is really no reason to pick one over the other. Let them at least follow each race's design philosophy. The magnate should be shooting lasers, etc.

To use the magnate as an example, why not give these ships a role bonus in line with their racial weapon types, something like this:

Magnate:
Frigate skill bonuses:
7.5% increase to scan strength of probes
5% bonus to Codebreaker, Analyzer and Salvager cycle time
Role Bonus:
50% to small energy turret damage
Slot layout: 4 H (+2), 3 M (+2), 4 L (+1), 2 turrets
Fittings: 36 PWG (+14), 230 CPU (+20)
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 250(+90) / 450(+64) / 250(+6)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): (unsure of proper numbers, but should be 10% under combat frig)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 350 (+54) / 3.8 (-0.32) / 1072000 / 3.81s (-0.32s)
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 0(-10) / 0(-10)
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 34km / 445 / 4
Sensor strength: 10 Radar
Signature radius: 39 (-4)
Cargo capacity: 400 (+243.75)

With a setup like this, the ship is combat capable just enough to take on the lowest end sites by itself, meaning a noob can do it all with one go. I think that was the point by adding massive drone bays to everything in the first place. However, a set up like this retains each race's unique flavor. The 50% damage bonus more or less makes 2 turrets perform like 3. However, its dps is certainly not powerful enough to fight like a punisher or executioner, and given its severely limited powergrid, this is entirely unable to be a front line combat ship.

It seems the intent was to allow a young player a ship just capable enough to start an exploration career, hence the increased fittings and slots. However, the drones on EVERY ship is pretty uncreative and steps on gallente's toes. It also gives a poor progression to better ships. I think the explorer frigs should still carry the distinct flavor of each race, while having the slots and resources to be able to do their intended job. Part of that job is entry-level pve. In this case, that means enough combat capability to field energy turrets with reasonable damage, and enough grid and cap left over for a small armor repper and afterburner. With this in mind, they shouldn't be able to contend with straight combat frigs, such as the punisher, and even with the slot layout and bonuses I suggest above, it would still not compare.

Edit: Furthermore, a static damage bonus would allow for better ammo efficiency for long trips (for caldari and minmatar, anyway.)

I hope not, this is too awesome right here


[Helios, Super Drone]
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II

Limited 1MN MicroWarpdrive I
Drone Navigation Computer I
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
EM Ward Amplifier II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Light Electron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S

Small Drone Durability Enhancer II
Small Ancillary Current Router II


Hobgoblin II x1