Player Features and Ideas Discussion

well also you know they started using missiles on jets because they kept shooting themselves down with their own guns when they ran into their projectiles, lol.

I agree that heavy missiles should be nerfed in some way but TD affecting missiles is ridiculous.

1) it's not logical because missiles don't have tracking
2) it will make TD overpowered so I expect every ship in game to have at least one fitted
3) you already have defender missiles - just make them act as other ewar: you lock ship, activate module on it and it kills some missiles fired by that ship. Can't be simpler than that.
4) unlike turret fire missiles can be killed by smartbombs which gives too much counter to missile ships compared to turret ones

I understand your solution is much simpler and straightforward to implement but you shouldn't make everything in this game the same. Variety is what's interesting about it.

NO TD mod for Missiles, and a damage nerf of 10-15% would be fine.

That is all.

Missiles can be dodged already, why put an even bigger chance to miss in? HM's dont have alpha, they have late beta.

i disagree. even without T3 BCs, the long range turrets (especially rails) have huge trouble dealing with most opponents. basically, anything that isn't fast enough to get under your tracking is either a battleship and outranges you anyway or is outside of tackling range and can just warp out unless it gets alpha'ed(that's why arties are stille good). then of course the T3 BCs are here to stay and if medium long range guns can't compete with them, that is clearly a problem with the weapons (unless you argue to remove/nerf the T3s).


if you are small and fast, you are likely fragile which means you are vulnerable until you get under the guns. with missiles, you do always get a portion of the damage but you do not need to get into scram range to avoid part of it. to me this seems pretty balanced overall.


blob warfare is one specific aspect of the game. if one hull or another performs exceptionally well in it, you should probably take a look at the hull and not the weapon system it shares with a dozen other ships. int his context, i will admit that the range on hevies is probably too long across the board and should be nerfed to less than the optimal of rails at least.


actually, i mostly fly nightmare and hurricane. please don't jump to conclusions. as for evidence: posting random numbers is not evidence either; it just skewes the picture away from a ship's actual real-world performance. to give you an example: on paper, the cerberus would be an awesome boat. smae DPS as a drake but 190km lolrange. yet somehow it is not so effective on the grid, to find out why is your homework.


drakes and tengus are overpowered because in addition to the HML range (which i won't deny needs a nerf), the one of them can easily fit a battleship sized buffer tank and the other one can fit a 100mn afterburner without losing too much of anything.
if you adressed these two issues and also did something with hml range, everything would be fine (minmatar would reign supreme again).


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You are also wrong about applied dps. In current fleet warfare, the 10 second (max) delay before missle dps is applied is meaningless, and there is no damage mitigation against the equal sized targets you normally see in fleets.[/fakequote]
again, fleet warfare is not everything and the reason drakes are so good in fleet warfare is only partly due to HML's supposed OPness.

Perfect .... for stationary targets. Now calculate DPS and Alpha for firing from optimal range at target moving at 200km/s

Not sure about the golem but cnr tank is crap compared to tengu, you are screwed if your drones are dead and your speed is so slow that you'll spend more time moving from gate to gate than shooting stuff.

Just spat coffee everywhere laughing reading that :D

Yep but really thats the pilots fault for getting in that situation isn't it? CNR tank is worse than Tengu but I can still do any lvl'4 in it.

They kind of are both our short and long range weapons. HAM's lack the tracking ability HML's do. If HAM's were just that, our true short range weapon, they'd have better tracking ability than HML's.

Since they don't, this nerf is, in my mind, nerfing both our hybrid short/long range weapon, and making the problems of our 'short' range weapon even worse (Rage HAM ammo even WORSE at tracking than it already is).

The Nighthawk died the day the Drake was introduced. Resurrecting it is definitely on the to-do list but first we need a relatively stable platform upon which to build its bonuses.