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in terms of fitted ships lost per day, what do you think hi sec income shoukd cover?
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Seminole Sun
Hell's Librarians
#101 - 2012-09-20 16:03:10 UTC
Silk daShocka wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Thorn Galen wrote:
@Op.

I would imagine that if playerA pays his/her monthly sub, same way playerB does, whether it's with ingame PLEX or with a credit card, both are entitled to the same usage and fun in this game, else you're just being close-minded about what "rights" you have as opposed to others who play this game.

By your statement, am I supposed to think that you do not pay to play this game because you earn PLEX and that the same facility should not be made available to those folks in Highsec ? That's basically what you're saying.

Big LOL.

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No one is saying they shouldn't have equal rights or possibilities, just that certain areas (hisec vs null vs low vs wh) may need balancing differently. Everyone would have the same "right" and opportunity to move into whichever type of space they like and reap the corresponding rewards, but if they choose hisec then that is choosing the much reduced reward (as a trade-off for the much reduced risk)


Well if we want to talk about risk/reward perhaps null sec needs some balancing to address the issue of ratting for 100mil/hour in a NAP fest


Is the yield really that high for a single person? Or do you need an alt to salvage to achieve that (effectively making it 50mil / hour)?

I no very little about null-sec (count me in the "risk averse carebear" bucket)
Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#102 - 2012-09-20 16:14:02 UTC
I've always linked isk/hour to something related to botting or work in my head.

It doesn't really matter how much isk you get from something as long you feel happy with it and have fun doing it.

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#103 - 2012-09-20 16:19:37 UTC
Silk daShocka wrote:
Well if we want to talk about risk/reward perhaps null sec needs some balancing to address the issue of ratting for 100mil/hour in a NAP fest

If you're worried about 0.0 anoms reaching 100m/h, don't worry, CCP is on it by nerfing individual pilot income in nullsec yet again.

I guess what CCP wants is for everyone to farm FW for a year before they fix it.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Doomheim
#104 - 2012-09-20 16:54:47 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Arcosian wrote:
And lol ratting in carriers or PIMP fit faction BS 24/7 in NAP fest 0.0 is very dangerous.Ugh


Carebear fallacy #3928: Nullsec is not dangerous (then why aren't YOU out ratting there, mr carebear?)



Nullbear fallacy #3929: High is not dangerous (then why are here so may killmails from there?)
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#105 - 2012-09-20 18:05:31 UTC
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Arcosian wrote:
And lol ratting in carriers or PIMP fit faction BS 24/7 in NAP fest 0.0 is very dangerous.Ugh


Carebear fallacy #3928: Nullsec is not dangerous (then why aren't YOU out ratting there, mr carebear?)



Nullbear fallacy #3929: High is not dangerous (then why are here so may killmails from there?)

So if it's so amazingly dangerous, why is it that I've autopiloted all over the hisec galaxy on my hisec char, sometimes with very, very expensive loads, and I've yet to be popped even once?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
#106 - 2012-09-20 18:09:23 UTC
highonpop wrote:
You get out what you put in.


ISK/hr concept should be shot in the face.


Quoted for the god damned truth.

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twice

with a shotgun

using triple-aught buckshots

from point-blank range.

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Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
#107 - 2012-09-20 18:14:29 UTC
Well if you think about it, CCP just took a huge chunk of player wealth out of the game. Any Caldari ships owned just lost 90% of their value as they were nerfed into the ground. And Minmatar ships will be taking a similar plunge.

So in-effect they took ISK value out of high-sec.

Now with 100% less Troll.
Robert De'Arneth
#108 - 2012-09-20 18:15:08 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Arcosian wrote:
And lol ratting in carriers or PIMP fit faction BS 24/7 in NAP fest 0.0 is very dangerous.Ugh


Carebear fallacy #3928: Nullsec is not dangerous (then why aren't YOU out ratting there, mr carebear?)



Nullbear fallacy #3929: High is not dangerous (then why are here so may killmails from there?)

So if it's so amazingly dangerous, why is it that I've autopiloted all over the hisec galaxy on my hisec char, sometimes with very, very expensive loads, and I've yet to be popped even once?



Maybe you know when and where to travel? Big smile

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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#109 - 2012-09-20 18:15:34 UTC
Tom Gerard wrote:
Well if you think about it, CCP just took a huge chunk of player wealth out of the game. Any Caldari ships owned just lost 90% of their value as they were nerfed into the ground. And Minmatar ships will be taking a similar plunge.

So in-effect they took ISK value out of high-sec.

The sky is literally falling.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#110 - 2012-09-20 18:18:51 UTC
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
Maybe you know when and where to travel? Big smile

I make no discernible distinction about when and where to travel. vOv

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#111 - 2012-09-20 18:22:47 UTC
So wait are people actually arguing that High is more dangerous then Null?

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Robert De'Arneth
#112 - 2012-09-20 18:23:13 UTC
Tom Gerard wrote:
Well if you think about it, CCP just took a huge chunk of player wealth out of the game. Any Caldari ships owned just lost 90% of their value as they were nerfed into the ground. And Minmatar ships will be taking a similar plunge.

So in-effect they took ISK value out of high-sec.



Really, man they have several threads for tears like yours. Though so far you have the most tears.

I'm a nerd, you can check my stats!! Skilling Int/Mem at 45 sp per minute is how I mack!     I'm like a lapdog, all bark no bite. 
Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
#113 - 2012-09-20 18:23:37 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
So wait are people actually arguing that High is more dangerous then Null?


Vastly more dangerous, the game developers themselves will nerf the most popular ship class in high-sec just because they get bored.

Now with 100% less Troll.
Seminole Sun
Hell's Librarians
#114 - 2012-09-20 18:44:53 UTC
Tom Gerard wrote:
Well if you think about it, CCP just took a huge chunk of player wealth out of the game. Any Caldari ships owned just lost 90% of their value as they were nerfed into the ground. And Minmatar ships will be taking a similar plunge.

So in-effect they took ISK value out of high-sec.


When did Caldari ships get nerfed... the upcoming change only affects heavy missiles (in fact, light missiles and torpedoes are getting a buff IIRC)... was there some other change I was unaware of?
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#115 - 2012-09-20 19:11:03 UTC
what ever they earn now, maybe a bit more. highsec income isn't bad, if you nerf highsec income it wouldn't bring people to low or null it would make people stay in highsec longer before wanting to try pvp.
Hypercake Mix
#116 - 2012-09-20 19:12:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Hypercake Mix
Player efforts can make null-sec space less or more dangerous.

Player efforts can make high-sec space more dangerous, but not less dangerous.

Edit: So yeah. I say they can become equally dangerous.