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Marie Hartinez
Aries Munitions and Defense
#21 - 2012-09-12 19:43:45 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Marie Hartinez wrote:

The site we work at is a bit out in the boondocks and so we have vermin all over the place. Everyone in my department will kill a snake on sight.



I don't. King Snakes up here. Sure they have a bad attitude and seem to be pissed off at the whole world but they are great for keeping rattlers away and eating mice. They get in my garage constantly and usually head to a place that contains maximum pants shitting potential like inside my folding chairs that hang from the ceiling away from any wall or inside a cupboards. When I see them I just grab them and take them to various wood piles or hay bales around the yard.

You guys may consider a dog as well. My big guy absolutely loves hunting mice and goes on patrol constantly. If I catch him really checking a spot out I'll come over and start moving objects to let him in and if there is a mouse he's quick to stomp on it. I'm still working with the cat on this. He's good at catching them but he like to bring his toys back the the house alive, where I usually bring the dog over to kill. This upsets the cat.


TBH, the only snakes we actually kill are rattlesnakes. But then, about 95% of the snakes here are rattlers. They get into everything, especially after we think we're snaked proof the buildings, storage sheds, etc. I have found a couple King Snakes, and they always get relocated to another part of the site.

I wouldn't mind a dog or two and our Ops Manager suggested a few fixed cats as we quite definitely have a rat and mouse problem. But the Powers That Be have determined that poison is the best solution.

Someone a few times suggested to the Powers That Be to build some owl houses as the area we are located in has plenty of owls around and I've a few hawks from time to time. But that idea was poo-pooed as being too expensive and time consuming to build.

Surrender is still your slightly less painful option.

San Fransisco
Silver Falcon Survey
#22 - 2012-09-12 19:52:10 UTC
Marie Hartinez wrote:
The site we work at is a bit out in the boondocks and so we have vermin all over the place. Everyone in my department will kill a snake on sight.



I feel obligated to point out that in most places killing wild snakes (or other reptiles/amphibians) is illegal. I would suggest you look into it before someone decides to make an issue of it.

This is on top of the fact that, as a herpetologist, I am acutely aware of the benefit such species have in our environment.

I don't mean to start a argument, just trying to give you a heads up.
Marie Hartinez
Aries Munitions and Defense
#23 - 2012-09-12 20:19:36 UTC
San Fransisco wrote:
Marie Hartinez wrote:
The site we work at is a bit out in the boondocks and so we have vermin all over the place. Everyone in my department will kill a snake on sight.



I feel obligated to point out that in most places killing wild snakes (or other reptiles/amphibians) is illegal. I would suggest you look into it before someone decides to make an issue of it.

This is on top of the fact that, as a herpetologist, I am acutely aware of the benefit such species have in our environment.

I don't mean to start a argument, just trying to give you a heads up.


As far as I understand it out here, we are allowed to kill rattlesnakes under contain conditions and all that. We don't go out of our way to hunt them down and kill them. Only when they are an actual threat to our safety. What I probably should of said was we are capable and willing, not necessarily going to do it.

I actually like rattlers and think they are the coolest snake around, but if it's down to me or the snake, that snake is going down.

Now that it is starting to cool off here, we'll be seeing less snakes.

I'm actually fine with critters out here, but the problem we have is an over abundance of them. They get into everything and nibble on just about anything. Power, comm, and control cables, air tubing, etc etc. This site's current vermin control program is not working and like I said earlier, a few of us have suggested some low cost and envirormentally safer ways.

Surrender is still your slightly less painful option.

Telegram Sam
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2012-09-12 20:59:11 UTC
Marie Hartinez wrote:
San Fransisco wrote:
Marie Hartinez wrote:
The site we work at is a bit out in the boondocks and so we have vermin all over the place. Everyone in my department will kill a snake on sight.



I feel obligated to point out that in most places killing wild snakes (or other reptiles/amphibians) is illegal. I would suggest you look into it before someone decides to make an issue of it.

This is on top of the fact that, as a herpetologist, I am acutely aware of the benefit such species have in our environment.

I don't mean to start a argument, just trying to give you a heads up.


As far as I understand it out here, we are allowed to kill rattlesnakes under contain conditions and all that. We don't go out of our way to hunt them down and kill them. Only when they are an actual threat to our safety. What I probably should of said was we are capable and willing, not necessarily going to do it.

I actually like rattlers and think they are the coolest snake around, but if it's down to me or the snake, that snake is going down.

Now that it is starting to cool off here, we'll be seeing less snakes.

I'm actually fine with critters out here, but the problem we have is an over abundance of them. They get into everything and nibble on just about anything. Power, comm, and control cables, air tubing, etc etc. This site's current vermin control program is not working and like I said earlier, a few of us have suggested some low cost and envirormentally safer ways.

It sounds like the rodents are attracting the rattlers. Plus you're probably in a place that rattlesnakes just naturally like. Too bad there aren't other predators around to take care of both the snakes and the rodents. The hawks and owls you mentioned would help a lot, I'd bet.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2012-09-12 21:21:01 UTC
Telegram Sam wrote:
Marie Hartinez wrote:
San Fransisco wrote:
Marie Hartinez wrote:
The site we work at is a bit out in the boondocks and so we have vermin all over the place. Everyone in my department will kill a snake on sight.



I feel obligated to point out that in most places killing wild snakes (or other reptiles/amphibians) is illegal. I would suggest you look into it before someone decides to make an issue of it.

This is on top of the fact that, as a herpetologist, I am acutely aware of the benefit such species have in our environment.

I don't mean to start a argument, just trying to give you a heads up.


As far as I understand it out here, we are allowed to kill rattlesnakes under contain conditions and all that. We don't go out of our way to hunt them down and kill them. Only when they are an actual threat to our safety. What I probably should of said was we are capable and willing, not necessarily going to do it.

I actually like rattlers and think they are the coolest snake around, but if it's down to me or the snake, that snake is going down.

Now that it is starting to cool off here, we'll be seeing less snakes.

I'm actually fine with critters out here, but the problem we have is an over abundance of them. They get into everything and nibble on just about anything. Power, comm, and control cables, air tubing, etc etc. This site's current vermin control program is not working and like I said earlier, a few of us have suggested some low cost and envirormentally safer ways.

It sounds like the rodents are attracting the rattlers. Plus you're probably in a place that rattlesnakes just naturally like. Too bad there aren't other predators around to take care of both the snakes and the rodents. The hawks and owls you mentioned would help a lot, I'd bet.


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Medarr
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2012-09-12 22:56:10 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Marie Hartinez wrote:

The site we work at is a bit out in the boondocks and so we have vermin all over the place. Everyone in my department will kill a snake on sight.



I don't. King Snakes up here. Sure they have a bad attitude and seem to be pissed off at the whole world but they are great for keeping rattlers away and eating mice. They get in my garage constantly and usually head to a place that contains maximum pants shitting potential like inside my folding chairs that hang from the ceiling away from any wall or inside a cupboards. When I see them I just grab them and take them to various wood piles or hay bales around the yard.

You guys may consider a dog as well. My big guy absolutely loves hunting mice and goes on patrol constantly. If I catch him really checking a spot out I'll come over and start moving objects to let him in and if there is a mouse he's quick to stomp on it. I'm still working with the cat on this. He's good at catching them but he likes to bring his toys back to the house alive, where I usually bring the dog over to kill. This upsets the cat.


LMAO yeah that reminds me of our place... we got a border collie who jumps around and barks like mad at snakes..

Nice story and awesome photo's OP
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#27 - 2012-09-13 04:44:20 UTC
Telegram Sam wrote:
Marie Hartinez wrote:
San Fransisco wrote:
Marie Hartinez wrote:
The site we work at is a bit out in the boondocks and so we have vermin all over the place. Everyone in my department will kill a snake on sight.



I feel obligated to point out that in most places killing wild snakes (or other reptiles/amphibians) is illegal. I would suggest you look into it before someone decides to make an issue of it.

This is on top of the fact that, as a herpetologist, I am acutely aware of the benefit such species have in our environment.

I don't mean to start a argument, just trying to give you a heads up.


As far as I understand it out here, we are allowed to kill rattlesnakes under contain conditions and all that. We don't go out of our way to hunt them down and kill them. Only when they are an actual threat to our safety. What I probably should of said was we are capable and willing, not necessarily going to do it.

I actually like rattlers and think they are the coolest snake around, but if it's down to me or the snake, that snake is going down.

Now that it is starting to cool off here, we'll be seeing less snakes.

I'm actually fine with critters out here, but the problem we have is an over abundance of them. They get into everything and nibble on just about anything. Power, comm, and control cables, air tubing, etc etc. This site's current vermin control program is not working and like I said earlier, a few of us have suggested some low cost and envirormentally safer ways.

It sounds like the rodents are attracting the rattlers. Plus you're probably in a place that rattlesnakes just naturally like. Too bad there aren't other predators around to take care of both the snakes and the rodents. The hawks and owls you mentioned would help a lot, I'd bet.



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Marie Hartinez
Aries Munitions and Defense
#28 - 2012-09-13 16:10:45 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Telegram Sam wrote:
Marie Hartinez wrote:
San Fransisco wrote:
Marie Hartinez wrote:
The site we work at is a bit out in the boondocks and so we have vermin all over the place. Everyone in my department will kill a snake on sight.



I feel obligated to point out that in most places killing wild snakes (or other reptiles/amphibians) is illegal. I would suggest you look into it before someone decides to make an issue of it.

This is on top of the fact that, as a herpetologist, I am acutely aware of the benefit such species have in our environment.

I don't mean to start a argument, just trying to give you a heads up.


As far as I understand it out here, we are allowed to kill rattlesnakes under contain conditions and all that. We don't go out of our way to hunt them down and kill them. Only when they are an actual threat to our safety. What I probably should of said was we are capable and willing, not necessarily going to do it.

I actually like rattlers and think they are the coolest snake around, but if it's down to me or the snake, that snake is going down.

Now that it is starting to cool off here, we'll be seeing less snakes.

I'm actually fine with critters out here, but the problem we have is an over abundance of them. They get into everything and nibble on just about anything. Power, comm, and control cables, air tubing, etc etc. This site's current vermin control program is not working and like I said earlier, a few of us have suggested some low cost and envirormentally safer ways.

It sounds like the rodents are attracting the rattlers. Plus you're probably in a place that rattlesnakes just naturally like. Too bad there aren't other predators around to take care of both the snakes and the rodents. The hawks and owls you mentioned would help a lot, I'd bet.



He needs HoneyBadger. Honeybadger doesn't give a ****


Hell, at this point, I'll take anything I can get.

Surrender is still your slightly less painful option.

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2012-09-15 03:03:42 UTC
Dessau
The Scope
#30 - 2012-09-15 05:58:15 UTC
OP. I live inside you.
Lupine Noir
Doomheim
#31 - 2012-09-16 20:38:33 UTC
San Fransisco wrote:
Hey all

Are there any other falconers who play EVE?


Dude my wife and I both have flown in the past. Shoot, probably a dozen different types of BoP from Harris to Kestrels and even Barn Owls to some massive african owls.
Been hunting [for rabbits] with Harris and Sakers (i was on ferret duty which was great).
IF only we had our own place in the country to have our own birds... till then I fly pixelships.

San Fransisco
Silver Falcon Survey
#32 - 2012-09-17 13:57:39 UTC
Dessau wrote:
OP. I live inside you.


Shocked

context please?
San Fransisco
Silver Falcon Survey
#33 - 2012-09-17 13:59:25 UTC
Lupine Noir wrote:
San Fransisco wrote:
Hey all

Are there any other falconers who play EVE?


Dude my wife and I both have flown in the past. Shoot, probably a dozen different types of BoP from Harris to Kestrels and even Barn Owls to some massive african owls.
Been hunting [for rabbits] with Harris and Sakers (i was on ferret duty which was great).
IF only we had our own place in the country to have our own birds... till then I fly pixelships.



Sweet. a few years ago I was moving around from apartment to apartment and such so I was on a 10 year hiatus so I know how you feel.
Telegram Sam
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2012-09-17 15:26:22 UTC
Lupine Noir wrote:
San Fransisco wrote:
Hey all

Are there any other falconers who play EVE?


Dude my wife and I both have flown in the past. Shoot, probably a dozen different types of BoP from Harris to Kestrels and even Barn Owls to some massive african owls.
Been hunting [for rabbits] with Harris and Sakers (i was on ferret duty which was great).
IF only we had our own place in the country to have our own birds... till then I fly pixelships.


How do you get an African owl? It's hard to imagine that it would be legal to import them. But from your post, I guess it is.
San Fransisco
Silver Falcon Survey
#35 - 2012-09-18 12:43:12 UTC
Telegram Sam wrote:
How do you get an African owl? It's hard to imagine that it would be legal to import them. But from your post, I guess it is.


In the USA and Canada all native birds are protected by the Migratory Bird Treaty Act. It specifically prohibits the unauthorized Taking (ie. harasment,capture, killing) and or sale of such species. There are a few caveats obviously. One very large one is hunting. Anyone who has ever needed to buy a "Duck Stamp" was subject to the MBTA. A small section of the act allows for the use of birds of prey for falconry.

Species that are not native to the USA or Canada are generally exempt from this law and are then only covered by international treaty (such as CITES) by the laws of the country that the animal is native to.

Long story short; there are legal ways to obtain and move species from other countries. Perhaps I am viewing it through rose colored glasses but , as a whole falconers tent to respect the laws and do things legally. We are far to few a demographic to defend ourselves so there is little to no room to bend the rules. It would be easy to take away all falconry programs.
Zofe Stormcaller
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2012-09-20 12:53:22 UTC
Kattshiro wrote:
I heard that and also scaring of murders of crows that congregate and give people the willies.



Well the presence of Falcons in eve has a tendancy to make Ravens dissappear...
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
#37 - 2012-09-21 13:42:15 UTC
Pretty interesting thread I have followed for some days, but have to post, since I cant resist anymore that every time someone says Falconry all I can remember is HODGESARRRRGHHHHH! in Lancre Big smile

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Domer Pyle
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2012-09-21 16:56:10 UTC
I think having a hawk would be pretty cool. A lot of work, but fun.

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Mogadishu Yacht-Club
Internet Space Ship Game
#39 - 2012-09-22 00:49:11 UTC
This morning, I saw a fox chasing a squirrel.
Would it count as falconry if I trained a fox and just threw it at whatever I wanted it to kill?
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