Player Features and Ideas Discussion

60 pages of players who get that small changes to two ships make more sense than sweeping changes that affect an entire class of combat that by far wasn't problematic beyond two ships.

60 pages of people saying nerf range, but lay off nerfing dps.

60 pages of people saying focus specifically on the drake/tengu.



Who wants to bet this "constructive feedback" gets overlooked and we see this proposition go through unchanged.

its not just drake and tengu effected is all missle ships especially those useing t2 ammo aswell i can definatly foresee a price hike in t1 ammo cause no one will use t2 anymore :/

OK, so the message for anyone who can fly only Caldari ships would be "sorry guys, delete your accounts and better try another game". Or wait few more months, try to skill another race/guns and forget about missiles.
That is just cool, really :/

Well to be honest my HM Tengu does nearly close to 800dps with a range of 114km but it did cost an arm and a leg to get it to that.

my friend this is what happens when most desitions are pushed forward by the neumerous pvpers in nullsec while low and high can barely be heard

a normal tengu is more closer to low 700s in dps numbers probably slightly less factoring in real combat situations of speed/sig rad. but yes t2 ammo gets to like 80km t1 easly 110km but yeah could be stupid and use range/flighttime hards and rigs and get 200km if ya want :P

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some eft warriors already crunshed numbers its normal dps of like 450 to 550 will drop off to like low 300s.

One of the issues I have is that I get the impression from the CSM posts in this thread that they have already "signed off" on these changes on our behalf and we should just "Build a bridge and get over it".

My view on Heavy Missiles is that:
They simply have too much range. So I support the range nerf even though I feel it should have been closer to 40% total range reduction with TC/TE offering better range by sacrificing Tank/Gank
Missiles need a viable counter that works. Defender missiles should be reworked into a real point defence weapon that effectively shoots down missiles and drones. There should also be another module that reduces your signature radius as a missile counter that is simply a "Chaff and Flare" Launcher. Obviously this module would have drawbacks for it's use but it would work as an effective solo missile counter.

TL;DR
Range nerf is good
Damage nerf is bad
Do not give TD's the ability to effect missiles
Fix or rework point defence (read defender missiles)

Disclaimer: I have not read a CSM post that stated the exact quotes from above. The phrases in quotation marks above are purely my perception of the CSM's stance and attitude to the players opinion voiced in this thread. I make no personal attacks on players, devs, CSM members or ISD members and have attempted create a post containing constructive feedback. Lets see if the ISD edit this post in their current campaign vs free speech

STOP CRYING FFS

Indeed, CCP you are damaging an entire class of weaponry. As many people have stated here the drake and tengu are the problematic ships, you are damaging command ships such as the nighthawk and HAC's such as the cerberus unduly when they did small amounts of DPS anyway.

I find it hard to justify paying close to 400 million after fitting for a basic T2 Fit command ship with 300 DPS. The range reduction it appears is justified, but the damage reduction is horrible.